Solution to Abortion Problem

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by HereWeGoAgain, Jan 30, 2018.

  1. Ritter

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    I do not know the full story because I am not American and therefore have little knowledge about random events in American politics. What I can tell you, however, is that the problem was most likely that they did not deregulate enough.

    Wait... Wait... Are you... :laughing:

    You actually think that the animal kingdom is a happy, Socialist-Pacifist community where gazelles and lionesses sing the Internationale and share food? :roflol: :roflol: :roflol:

    Top comedy, mate. Absolutely golden.


    Wrong. Capitalism is the reason even someone like I, from a family where both parents lack higher education, was able to enjoy school, food, Internet, toys and bikes. Had it not been for Capitalism, I would be a peasant with a broken back from heavy farm work and my mother would have probably died from giving birth and my father from a moose-attack when out hunting food for us.

    You know it is really ungrateful to be so dispicably hateful towards entrepreneurship and private property. Especially coming from someone who can afford spending their time on the Internet, posting absolute nonsense without risking starvation.

    PS. Pissed my pants over your "animals are egalitarians" post. Thanks for the lols. :laughing:
     
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  2. Ritter

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    For fetuses sake! Where did i say that "whore" describes the sexual revolution? :no:

    Points proven; none.

     
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    Thank you for tacitly admitting to your woeful lack of subject matter knowledge when it comes to American economic policies, capitalism and libertarianism.

    It begs the question is there any area at all where you have any subject matter knowledge that might be relevant because none has been apparent to date?
     
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    Muh deM lioNz n tiGerZ be SoCialisT n shiEt theY bE sHariN theiR hooD n TurF wiD deM antiLopez n ShiEt. SilLy KapTaliZts ainT reAlizin doZe Krockz be ShaRin SalLads wiD thE zEbras. If nAture aiNt KaPtaLizT Y shuD wE bE? AniMalZ r HuMan 2.
     
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    Do me a favor...when you get insulted, don’t get all self righteous....especially when you personally attack others
    Telling someone they don’t know what they are talking about when in fact I think it is you who is locked into very sexist attitudes. Sexism is often an unconscious prejudice,
    Because you believe that a zygote is a human life does not make it so. And running away is just what you were doing and accusing others of
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    You really must hate sex if you want to """crush its skull, vacuum up the remains, tnrow then in a bin and put that bin on fire"""

    That really isn't a very healthy attitude...

    What exactly do you term "60's ideals".... ? what were those ideals of long before you were born ???

    I'm still not sure what your complaint is but you haven't offered any solutions yet...just a lot of "shoulds" and wishful thinking





    Hey, I'm just asking what your POINT is?

    Most posters have a point......I never saw yours...

    If they don't like something they offer a solution....I never saw yours....


    Confused? I NEVER said , """"lumps of cells are not lives",""""


    And if you keep saying sexist or misogynistic things they will be called out...try not saying them and you won't be labeled...
     
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    I think that post explains the problem ;)
     
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    It is clearly indicative of a problem. ;)
     
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    You know what, you really are amazing.

    If you read my posts, quote them properly and make it clear exactly what it is you don't understand and also tell me what parts you disagree with and why you disagree with them, it would be a whole lot of easier. You know, how a forum debate normally works. Sadly, you are not even trying to- and have it pretty obvious that you are not willing to understand my points.

    The blame is on you.

    And you don't even have a post.

    Your mother didn't make it. It is too late. ;)

    Yes, just like I said. Confused. :no:

    Explain to me how asking for desexualisation of the female body is misogynistic. Explain to me how trying to prevent rape and sexual abuse of women is sexist. Explain to me how asking men not hump, pump and dump women as a piece of meat is misogynistic. Explain to me how claiming a woman's worth is not located between her legs is misogynistic. Explain to me how pointing out that men and women both are losers is sexist. Explain to me how thinking over-sexualisation of the female body is misogyny. Explain to me. Please.

    When a random stranger on the other side of the bloody Atlantic insults me, I will treat them the same way. I have written multiple, constructive posts that very clearly explain my view, but all I get in response is "whatevaaaa" and "omg! do u even get laid? lol." I am not going to respond constructively to anti-intellectualism like that.

    You seem to be a person who thinks alot, but knows very little. I have made my views and attitudes very clear in post after post and you still do not know where I stand which tells that you are not one bit interested in engaging in a mature debate. Besides it is rather pathetic that you feel the need to step in and protect another poster like this. The quoted post was not even directed to you.

    Now, you do me a favour and present me some arguments or just do not even bother addressing me at all.

    We are the world. We are the zygotes. We are the ones who make a brighter day so let's start giving. There's a choice we're making, we saving our own lives..

    Simply not true. In post after post after post. All I have ever done is sharing my view on the matter, analysing it, explainong why I think it is a problem and even suggested how it could be solved. What have you done? You haven't even made a half-hearted attempt of presenting a counter-argument.
     
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    So, where is your response to #626????
     
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    I didn’t realize “we are the world” was an ode to zygotes Is that like this song, “tie a ribbon around an old acorn tree”?
    I don’t think it’s necessary for you to tell me that I am a person who thinks a lot but knows very little. I am sure if I said that to you you would be offended as you should be.
    I think all those things that you are defending are quite noble, do you really think that anyone here thinks that men should rape or sexually assault women? but referring to women’s appetite for sex and somehow correlating up with whorishness is saying something that you may not even be aware that you were thinking.
    What is also interesting is that when people say something you don’t agree with you attack them personally but yet you cloak yourself in self righteous indignation when it’s done to you..if you can’t take the heat......
     
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    Acorns should be given human rights imo.

    If you are looking for an apology you are not going to get it. I meant every word.

    Hard to know when all I get in response when raising those issues is that I am a misogynist. Do you think men should?

    This was not at all what I said! :frustrated:

    This is not even remotely true. I was not the one starting the personal attacks. I was calmly presenting my views in very long posts and all I got in response was insults like "you are sexist" and "you are just mad because you cannot get laid." As long as all I get in response is personal attacks, I will respond with personal attacks. Whenever someone writes a serious post, I respond with a serious post. This is evident throughout this whole tnread and anyone who goes through it will be able to see it.
     
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    YOU: ""Acorns should be given human rights imo.""""


    ...and you want everyone to take you seriously ? :)
     
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    You were told in many posts what I disagreed with....you took that as an attack....and couldn't respond coherently.







    Women are sexual beings....why would a normal person want to "desexualize" them?
    .





    I didn't see anyone say they were.





    You were the one claiming a woman's worth was between her legs, if she used what's between her legs more than you approve , she's a whore, you said.


    That means you base your whole value of women on what's between her legs.







    Women and men are not losers.



    If you judge a woman's worth on what's between her legs, that's misogyny.



    No.



    Insulting one who has been more than nice to you,,,,



    Ya, no one understands you....it must be their fault ;)





    Anyone can respond to posts in here....something else you can't control :)


    So show me your clear concise solutions to whatever it is you're complaining about.....haven't seen anything but "shoulds"
     
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    You can read the full thread and see that that is not true.
    If any of you fencing me had divided my quotes into nice paragraphs and addressed my arguments one by one, pointed out where you think I am wrong and asked questions where I did not make myself clear, then we would never be in this kindergarten-esque situation in the first place. If all I am given in response is laughing emojis, subtle insults and blatant accusations of holding views that I actually don't hold, there is not much I can do.

    The majority of the posts addressed to me in the last four pages or so are ones that include the words "sexist" and "misogynist". Many have been the times where I have asked why it is that the poster(s) in question perceive me as such, but replies have been zero. I have even provided reconstructions and new elaborations on my views to make my position clearer when there have been misinterpretations. Still I get nothing. Just the same old "you don't like womyn, sexist!"

    There is one fact and that fact is that you haven't presented me your view. You have made it clear you disagree, but not why you disagree. In fact, the amount of arguments you have made is extremely disproportionate to the number of posts you have published.

    I cannot speak for you, but I agree with the Feminists on the point that the female body is over-sexualised in siciety and in media. But, I do differ from them in what I see as the cause and how I think it would best be solved. Nonetheless, the 'Women's Righs Activists' are with me on this and agree that they are over-sexualised.

    Then explain to me why it is that you repeatedly called me a sexist and a misogynist?

    No. Not at all what I said. What I said was that the structures emerging out of the sexual revolution has put the woman in a seat where all her worth is to be found between her legs. I then said that I find this sad and problematic and that it is something society has to rid.

    If we view society solely on the level of sexual norms, it is, in my opinion, obvious that we live in very decadent times. Times in which both men and women are losers.

    Well, I don't.

    Care to tell what you would like me to elaborate on?

    She has been highly hostile.

    Kind of is, yes. Especially considering none of you have ever asked me to clarify my statements.

    What exactly are you trying to imply?

    They are plentiful, but right now I don't care going tnrough the whole thread to point them out for you. They are there for anyone interested and I will be here responding when quoted.
     
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    It is sadly telling that virtually anyone here opposing abortion and championing stipulations placed on women are all males who freely post their obvious issues with females in life. One is left to wonder at correlation between these two phenomenon.
     
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    Correlation does not imply causality though. ;)
     
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    Likely it does in this case.
     
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    And
    It happened, you obviously didn't respond well enough for others to understand you.




    It's called "get a clue". :)
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    You received several replies, you just didn't like them.




    Yes, I did, I can't help it if you didn't agree.






    HOW would it be solved.....??? Never got an answer to that oft asked question.


    What do you mean by "structures"? See, now all you have to do is answer the question.

    Everyone does NOT think women's worth is all between their legs......and you cannot prove they do.


    .

    But never HOW society will get rid of it.

    ,

    Well, that position is ridiculous....do you ever think about anything besides sex?




    We always have.



    NO, women and men are not losers.


    Yup, that's all you've talked about is women's worth being valued on what's between their legs...

    Not any more.

    :) Nope, just disagreed with you..

    Done repeatedly.

    I implied nothing, I posted , ""Anyone can respond to posts in here....something else you can't control :)""



    Or, since time isn't an issue, you could've posted them here.


    Is post # 629 supposed to be a clarification?? :roflol:

    And You in another post: "Acorns should be given human rights"


    Should we take you seriously?
     
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    This is filled with childish vitriol I see your views differently than you see them but that doesn’t mean you are right. As I said, if you can’t take the heat...get out of the kitchen
     
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    That is not how I see it. It may very well been the case that my posts have been unclear, but there have been none attempt from any of you to ask for clarification. You both have just stuck to your magic words that you always use to shut down conversation.

    Oh, I get the clue, I do - you want to shut down the conversation because you lack arguments.

    And I replied to all the replies without getting anything but "sexiiiiiist" in reply.

    No, all you have given me is "no sexual liberalism has been, like, tolly very good and stuff and you are just, like, sorta like a sexist and stuff." You have not told me why you think my interpretation of the sexual revolution is stupid, sexist and deluded only that it, somehow, makes me a sexist.

    I am not here to discuss solutions. I have noted a problem and pointed out the cause... Actually, I have even offered a few potential solutions. But, whatever.

    Jesus Christ, what kind of Feminist are you not to know what a "structure" is?

    Structure is a sociological concept to describe the set of beliefs, attitudes and norms affecting our behaviour existing in all societies, communities and cultures.

    You know, with this kind of outlook on the world, you should leave this forum because what you said here can be applied to literally everything. For example, not EVERYONE is a Pro-Choicer, so why bother discussing abortion? I hope you see how ridiculous that statement of yours is.

    I have suggested that potential solutions could include a more traditional set of sexual morals and a society that encourages happy relationships and nuclear family. I have. You have just chosen not to see it because you don't even want to discuss anything at all because you think that views on which not everyone agrees are unjustified views (you said it yourself).

    Why is it ridiculous? Care to elaborate for once instead of reverting to passively aggressive personal attacks ("you, like, tolly just, like, think about, like, sex and stuff!") to shut down conversation?

    Oh. How do you figure?

    Seriously, could you not for once publish something that is longer than one sentence?

    Well, first of all it is not true that it is all I ever talked about. Secondly, it is not my view that her value is located between her legs, but rather is it my perception that contemporary society judges a woman solely for her sexuality.

    Okay...

    Not even done in this post.

    Please, don't be silly. This is yet another "you are misogynist"-post with the purpose of shutting down the debate. You are clearly implying that I wish to control women's bodies which is not true and just a silly, childish insult.

    I kind of have. They are somewhere in here. ;)

    Out of all my posts in here, you chose the one where I was making fun of Derideo's unbelievably idiotic statement that the animal kingdom is egalitarian and that this somehow would be a proof that Capitalism has failed.

    Glad you liked the joke though, my intention was to make people laugh.

    And you previously accused me of not understanding sarcasm. Loltastic. :no:

    I don't know. What do you think?
     
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    I love the heat.
     
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    No.
     
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    Then why are you always complaining about it?
     
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    :applause:

    :applause:
     

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