Yeah, but not demonstrably. I tell you what, I have no issues with the females. Believe me. Nobody knows females like I do. I have a tremendous relationship with them and their respect for me is yuge. Unbelieveble.
Yeah....I'm sue no one in history compares and you will stop periods with an internal wall paid for by Mexico.
But yet you see their sexuality as being used..or as you say, “,pumped and dumped” that line alone speaks volumes. Looks like you and trump have something in common. Do you have little hands too?
Perhaps it is that you are all females and in your late 30's that you do not understand what I am talking about. Or maybe you are just ignorant. How you can deny that today's relaxed attitudes towards sex is not problematic is beyond me. Depression amongst young people is skyrocketting and especially alarming are the numbers for young women. I have no idea how you can sit there and pretend as if there are no harmful structures in society today. Only thing that speaks volumes here is your incapability to see reality for what it is. I hate Trump just like I have hated every other US President in history. I really hope I have nothing in common with that man.
I'll try for an answer: You: ""Perhaps it is that you are all females and in your late 30's that you do not understand what I am talking about""" What has being in one's late 30's have to do with anything?
It’s easy to blame depression on relaxed sexual attitudes. It isn’t about sex which happens to be an outlet. Girls are no more depressed than boys.....the Internet has a lot to do with depression and isolation. And once again you think like an extremist...saying we believe there “are no harmful structures in society today”. Whoever said that? There are plenty..like guns, like bigotry, like social media etc What you do repeatedly is create a strawman like the one I just cited and then go off on it as if it were true I am much older than my thirties but I taught sex education to adolescents for years and was a confidante to thousands through journals. And it wasn’t about sex! That was a small component...sounds like it’s more of your hang up. To show you how old I am I grew up during the sexual revolution and was that liberating!
Whatever you say https://www.bbraustin.com/2016/09/15/gender-differences-in-teenage-depression/ But when you get a few years down the road, we men are killing ourselves at up to ten times the rate of women.
Just wondering after this long thread, which has gone way off topic, if you have changed your views on banning abortion and artificial wombs.
I don't buy those statistics...boys are not likely to say they are depressed....girls are allowed to say it.... and ALL the school shooters have been teenagers or young MALES......obviously they didn't discuss their depression...but it was there. I'm not saying girls don't get depressed, they have plenty to be depressed about with the level of sexism present well into the 21st century.
The last 15-or-so years, depression among the young has seen an increase of several hundred percent. Especially big has the increase been among young women and they are the gender that is more often diagnosed. Obviously, lots of cases go unrecorded and it therefore is hard to say if young women really are more depressed than young men, but it does not really matter - the general trend is that "youth depression" is exploding and this tells there is something malevolent about modern society. Internet does play an important role in all this, but it is not exactly that it is Internet in itself that is causing depression. Young people mostly use Internet for social media where they post pictures and share stories from their lives. In a sense, it is a form of popularity contest and popularity is very much all about physical attractivesness and status - if you are pretty, you will recieve lots of likes (= popularity) and if you post pictures where you show off status symbols such as tattoos, vacations or visit fancy coffee shops or go on adventures (= status), you will receive your likes too.To use an evolutionary term, it is about "sexual market value" and for many youngsters, being popular on social media is everything. Furthermore, youngsters (especially women) will use social media to follow their idols and other celebrities. They look up to these people and want to look like them and if they do not look like a photoshopped top model, they will feel ugly and unworthy. Additionally, with sex being "liberated", young people feel tons of pressure to have their sexual debuts and those who fail will many times isolate themselves, feeling unworthy and hideous. This also comes with "alcohol culture" that creates pressure to be drunk and those who are not popular enough to even be invited to the parties will feel really bad about themselves. I would say this is very much about sex and it is important not to deny that the "sexual freedom" we experience today in combation with technological advancements becomes something that makes young people extremely vulnerable because it creates an unnaturally competetive environment. This will be anecdotal and is not really an argument, but I have known two women with severe issues with their self-esteem disposing BDD-esque behaviour. Even I myself have had serious issues with my self-esteem (ha-ha I know what you are thinking). It is really sad and the exposure to sex and openess with sex plays a very major role in this drama. If you were not busy calling me a sexist and instead would have addressed my arguments and told why you disagree with me, I would not have to make the conclusion that you see no harmful structures in modern society. All I got in response when pointing that out was basically "Lol, no". So, I had no choice but to assume you see no destructive patterns in modernity. As I mentioned above, the relaxed attitudes towards sex is a very harmful structure that in many ways overlap with the onesnthat you have mentioned. Many posts ago, the one where I went on a longer rant about sexual liberation, I mentioned how those who fall outside the norm of "acceptable sexual activity" risk becoming bigots and even school shooters (member Elliot Rodgers?). Finally, as mentioned above, social media has a role in causing "sexual pressure". Obviously, I am not saying that everything comes down to sex, there are thousands of other factors and not every individual case is the same. But, right now we are discussing sex and that is the reason I limit my analysis to just that. It is not solely about sex and no one has claimed it is. But, sex plays a very important role in all of this. Popularity, beauty, dating and partying - we are no more than apes and putting on our evolutionary glasses we can see that all of these boil down to the process of "sexual selection". Only difference is that technologies and changes in attitudes has caused this process to completely inflate, creating an unnatural form of competition and lots of pressure (what I pointed out in my first rant). I am at least glad that it has come to surface that we both see that sex plays a role in making young people feel bad. Only difference is that I think the role it plays is much bigger than you see it. Alright, then it has been a long time since you were a teenager and you are long past your youth, so maybe it might be the case that I am more familiar with contemporary youth culture than you are.
Reading all you have written you sound like you’re 70. When there was that sexual revolution of my day, everybody was assigning all different negativities to it. You and I will disagree about the relaxed sexual mores Yes it has been a long time since I was a teenager and I’m long past my youth. But I have worked with teenagers and I still do. So perhaps I am even more familiar with contemporary youth culture. I worked with thousands of adolescents. Something you are not aware of is the belief that all these things that you are talking about like popularity beauty dating partying etc. are not unique to your generation. These things have always been agonizing for generations , But we didn’t have the Internet so we thought we were unique. We were so much more repressed. Today tho beauty is still part of a woman’s psyche, boys are having an even harder time, In the past they did not have to compete with women and now women are assuming a more equal role. Men felt superior because they “seduced women” but today men don’t have that superiority and women today are calling the shots and making men very uncomfortable I like the way you manipulate what I say when you say “I am glad we both agree that sex place a role in making young people feel bad. Actually there are a lot of things much more prevalent that make young people feel bad
The cynics of your time were right. "Sexual liberalism" has - as I mentioned in post #606 - turned society on its head and the "maña-maña-attitude" towards serious relationships is having a very bad impact on everyone. I will take it you are a teacher and if you think what you see of your pupils is who they actually are, you are very wrong. Teenagers wilk only show their teachers their "frontstage" and what is actually going on "backstage" is something teachers are left completely unaware of. There is no chance you are more acquianted with "youth culture" than I am because I am still considered a "youth" and am very much around it every day. I belong to the gemeration who grew up with the Internet and social media has been a natural, given part of my life since I was 12. I am not saying that just because you are older it makes you clueless. Most likely you are a lot wiser than I on most levels and your life experience is far greater than mine which means you can relate to much more than I can. However, I doubt that you as an "outsider" can have any better insight to the phenomenon than an "insider" has. Not at all. I know that people have always engaged in sex and that structures never completely hamper agency. I understand human nature and I understand socio-cultural patterns (I have a degree in anthropology). There is one vital difference between my generation and previous generations and that is the one you so accurately pointed out here - Internet. I talked about this as far back as in post #606 where I described how "sexual liberalism" caused the destruction of a structure that made it possible for a new market to emerge , the one of sex. Sex was no longer stigmatised in the social room and the market - as it does - started responding to the rising demand - pop culture was starting to get more and more sexualised, contraceptives were advocated in the name of "free love", the pornography industry was born etc etc. When the Internet was introduced all of these markets moved into the web, reaching a global customer base and one thing lead to another. Suddenly, we got Internet dating, social media and other such stuff. The sex is much more "free" today than the "sexual revolutionists" ever could have imagined (I bet). All it takes to "get some" today is, literally, swiping your finger across a screen. See post #606: Spoiler Sexual liberalism has opened up and normalised "one night stands" and technology has taken it all even further with services such as Tinder and whatnot (which have been provided because sexual libetalism has created a demand for them). This causes huge inflation on the "mating market" as the supply of sexual partners is nearly endless which, of course, means that a woman's value is decreased to a simple swipe with the finger. At the same time as the woman is devaluated, the competition amongst men becomes a very unnatural one where the "less fortunate" guys lose all their potential partners to "Chad" and this creates resentful, misogynist, porn addicts and fosters psychological illness that, who knows, might even result in suicide or school shootings. Yes, there is a thing called "natural selection", but this sure ain't it. Previously, the "Chads" has been limited by both nature and culture to stick to one partner, but with all the societal comfort, technological advancement and cultural decline of today, "Chad" has no incentives to control himself and his urges by limiting himself to one partner - he is free to be a hedonist. "Chads" will compete with each other on which one of them can woo the highest number of top tier-to-average females and the "Semi-Chads" will monopolise the remaining girls. Of course, the females will think they are valued and pretty because everytime they go out, a new, handsome dude offers them a dance, a drink and some "bedtime". Then, as she gets older and still not in a stable relationship, she will become both desperate and depressed and after a few years, she will be too old for the "Chads" and thheir lads and left all alone. This is just not right. Trolling nature like this will have its consequences and it will hit us bad. Furthermore, the sexual revolution of the 60's has now reached its peak where sex is everywhere - Turn on the tv - sex. Open up a magasine - sex. Play a song - sex. What do young people talk about? Sex. It is literally everywhere and has become so normalised that it is no longer something special. People don't value it because - as mentioned above - technologies such as the Internet has made it easily accessible and contraceptiveshave made it to something that is neither risky nor costly. Now again, these technologies - as mentioned above - make the "less desireble" even more insecure and many may even feel they do not even need to look for girls as they can find pleasure from porn with only a mouseclick or two. The "less fortunate" girls turn their feelings of abandonment outwards by becoming Feminists and then lonely men reply with the same means and tension and hate is created between many members of the two gender groups. No one can possibly look at this and call it civilised. Which is only half of the story. Women are no longer limited to "wait for their prince" which is good (I am all for personal autonomy) and it is no longer shameful for a woman "to make a move" which is good too (because why not?). However this has an enormous backside which you can read about in the spoiler above. Women have actually not gained as much agency as they would like to imagine and as women have been allowed to take one step forward, men have been able to take five of them (see #metoo for example). Or how you manipulate what I said. You forgot the last part of my "manipulation" that read; "Only difference is that I think the role it [sex] plays is much bigger than you see it."
I would not be too sure about that. I highly doubt that the ascending curve showing rape, sexual harassment and other forms of sexual violence is solely due to an increased propensity to report. Although sex crimes might be reported more often today than they were before, I still think that such crimes are far more prevalent today due to the denormalisation of marriage, glorification of one-night-stands and alcohol/nightclub culture. It is definitely not only due to reporting becoming both destigmatised and easier. There obviously is something deeply messed up in our culture.
Please be awRe that kids write me confidential journals....and the most personal stuff....they don’t need any face for me. It’s funny how they won’t talk to me face-to-face but in this journal they will write everything.i thought Sweden was very liberated. Your evaluation of women not gaining much is probably a generational thing. Women have gained soooo much. We will just have to agree to disagree.
Sexual harassment and sexual violence were just as prevalent in the past...Perhaps even more so because there were rarely any consequences
This is something we cannot really prove and only speculate about. My view is that the institution of marriage and nuclear family were put up for a reason and that reason was to function as some kind of "natural restrictor" to limit us from going "full monkey", only seeking to please our needs. The old Greeks gave us the story about Narcissus that tells us self-obsession is bad and 'The Bible' teaches us that lust, hubris and vanity are deadly sins. I don't think these morals were set up "just for fun" or because the people behind them did not understand human nature. Quite the contrary, they were full aware of human nature and saw danger in letting it loose and therefore saw it as important to put up laws and rules that would function as "de-monkifiers", something to make us more human, The "sexual revolutionists" saw these structures and institutions as both outdated and oppressive, so they decided to tear them down. The result was that we become apes again, only striving to satisfy our animal instincts.
Is going” full monkey” only to satisfy our pleasures the reason people don’t choose to marry? The nuclear family was set up where women had no authority..their role was to be homemaker and child bearer and raiser. You seem to support this and I don’t. Please don’t go bible on me, because I can pick and choose parts of it that actually offend . Sorry you see sex in such a negative light..aren’t married people having sex also? Aren’t they satisfying their animal instincts?
Renee: ""Sexual harassment and sexual violence were just as prevalent in the past...Perhaps even more so because there were rarely any consequences More BS....some of us LIVED through sexual harassment and violence so we KNOW about them and no one can say "there is no proof" ...There's plenty of proof if you're not afraid to see it...next you'll be claiming no women were raped until the sexual revolution and social media... IF one looks back into history it is filled with sexual harassment and sexual violence much of which wasn't punished and wasn't even illegal ... Oh, ya, married people never have sex and if they do it's for-procreation-only-in-the-missionary-position-in-the-dark-without moving-too-much-or-making-noise.....and , of course, it's ALWAYS with their spouse only ... The Greeks, like everyone else, bonked like rabbits , male or female... Then YOU, and other bible believers, should quit doing do those things !!!!!! ( I had a suspicion religion would creep into this Puritanical discussion) No, we didn't become apes again...we (humans) just act and react like humans....as we ALL have throughout our very long history. Anyone with knowledge of history would know that sex, and it's abuse, was not invented in 1960. Things did happen before you were born....no, really, there were people and stuff and electricity and wars and the Olympics and orgies and murder and greed and music and art and drugs and cars and clean water ..... ....ya, honest, they were all there before your birth...
I was expecting the "bible" thing......the puritanism and blaming women meant it would devolve to that ...
Most definitely, yes. You are being very simple-minded if you think that is the purpose of motherhood. We are animals that always strive to maximise the best possible social outcome and historically this has meant that we have had to divide labour in such way that women stayed looking for the children whereas men went out hunting. There was nothing oppressive about it. Obviously, I am not advocating that we should go back to being cavemen, but only am I pointing out that gender roles and all other structures alike were put up to fill a function. Something I have always wondered about and something that makes me rather amazed is that Feminists seemed to have had a very negative view on housework and motherhood, viewing these as less valueble that the tasks men performed - Instead of seeking equality by demanding a higher status for housework, they did it by demanding entrence to the job market. Something that, in turn, meant that being a housewife became something bad. Very interesting. Yes, married people are having sex too and I have already pointed how intra-marital sex is different from extra-marital sex. It is not sex in itself that is negative. As I have said a trillion times already, it is a matter of quality over quantity.
