Sotomayor compares fetus to brain dead person, says fetal movement doesn't prove consciousness

If a man is pregnant he has every right to have an abortion , the same as women

 

And abortion is an act resulting from thinkig.

What if the birth control fails? Also I was obviously talking about more serious illnesses and birth defects.

Her justification is not having motherhood in her hierarchy of values.

That is a completely different discussion.

I do support it though.

It is not one bit banal.

 

Such an incel thing to say.

 

???

what if your man and your your contraception fails do you get to opt out of being a father?

she probably should avoid getting pregnant.

does that cause a problem with your double standard?

you support father's abandoning their children well at least you're consistently immoral.

I disagree it's pretty stupid to think that the only reason I don't want someone to murder their baby is because I have a problem with what women do.

 

What's an incel?

 

Involuntarily celibate. Apparently if you don't hold the 'right' opinions, its considered that your opinions must come from never getting your genitalia voluntarily touched in a sexual fashion.

 

That is just plain silly.

The insurrection of Jan 6 was specifically oriented as an assault on democracy itself. There hasn't been anything like that since the civil war.

 

I don't believe this topic has ANYTHING to do with men's rights.

 

You're quite frequent with your misinformation schtick.

 

I'm just relaying what the over 700 arrested insurrectionists claim to have been their objective.

 

Well for me that isn't the case. I'm betting this is some form of slur

 

Well I don't think you value the unborn at all so I'm not going to argue from that position.

 

So what does it matter to you how much sex I have? That's a weird thing to say.

 

Abortion is very rational and very moral.

Before it is born, yes.

AKA "close your legs, slut."

What double-standard?

Abandoning their children, no.

Women who have abortions are not killing their baby. They are terminating their pregnancy.

 

I never commented on your sex life. I only pointed out you sounded like an incel.

 

How about the born, are they at all valueble to you?

 

Disagree.

So you support dead beat fathers... Sounds like questionable values.

If that's what you here that's a reflection on what you think. Maybe have a little more respect for women and you won't have to project your impotence on others.

I suppose you have to have standards in the first place.

So men are enslaved to women.

That's a distinction without a difference.

 

Incel as I understand it is a man who is "involuntarily celibate"

That is absolutely you speculating on my sex life.

It's a personal attack because you can't debate the point.

Perhaps I just love men.

 

Did you hear me advocating for the decriminalization of murder, child abuse, or neglect?

 

Now you want to pretend that this is a black and white situation - either the embryo is always more important that the pregnant woman or the embryo is worthless.

That is NOT a legitimate argument.

The actual situation is that there are many complexities, and having the state impose sweeping and absolutist laws takes away the decision making of women and their doctors.

 

It's only an embryo in the first stage. You are being dishonest.

Your strawman isn't a legitimate argument. I'm not talking about an embryo and I never was.

We take that away after the child is born. Why don't you support women's rights then?

 

False.

The embryo stage doesn't end until weeks after the Texas law takes persona health care choices away from women.

I don't know what you mean by this.

Parents retain decision making authority after birth.

 

you are making a semantic argument and it doesn't matter how you label things. The Texas bill is based on heartbeat.

women aren't allowed to have their babies murdered outside the womb but they are inside. Why?

to a much lesser degree they do not retain the choice to abort childhood.

 

Why?

I do not know what you mean by "dead beat father", but you certainly do not share my definition of the term. If a man impregnates a woman and while she is pregnant makes it very clear that he is not up for fatherhood he should have no obligation to take on that rrsponsibility. But, if he sticks around and then just disappears once the baby is born or if he is around without being pregnant he is clearly a giant ******bag.

This is a very complicated question though and I do not think that is the proper thread to discuss it in.

I find laughable that the dude who sees women as stockfarm animals tells me to "respect women".

Your standards are wrong.

No and neither are women to their biology.

A fetus is not a baby. You are knowingly misusing the word "baby" to get an emotional response.

 

I am talking about the unwillingly pregnant women.