Structural redundancy...

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  1. LoneStrSt8

    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    MOD EDIT - Rule 3

    Duh...
     
  2. Hannibal

    Hannibal New Member

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    I do. So do you.
     
  3. genericBob

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    First of all, 100% of the evidence is NOT available to the
    public at large and additionally much of the evidence that
    is available has been tampered with.
    so NO there is no logical reason for saying that 100% of
    the evidence is readily available.

    The evidence that is available, indicates all sorts of problematic
    bits such as the "collapse" events of WTC1, 2 & 7
    the non-recovery of the flight data recorders for the most certainly
    fake "FLT11" & "FLT175" The fact that not one of the airliners
    had an inventory of bits done so as to know precisely how much
    of said aircraft was recovered. The Pentagon hit is a complete
    & total JOKE, where is the airliner? the small quantity of bits on
    the Pentagon lawn, are you really buying this fiasco?
    The fact that even after it was known for certain that AMERICA
    was under attack, the President sat in a publicly known location
    ( for terrorists to crash a plane into the school where he sat? )
    Underfunding of the "investigation", the group that was
    set up to fail..... ( etc ... ) the evidence points to a huge
    cover-up of something, what are the politicians hiding?

    This is far from a coherent lot of evidence that points
    to hijacked airliners being used as weapons.

    Question EVERYTHING

    A! where are we going
    & why are we in this handbasket?
     
  4. Vlad Ivx

    Vlad Ivx Active Member Past Donor

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    You got them good with this one. I don't think there's anything they can reply to this one.
     
  5. Hannibal

    Hannibal New Member

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    Lots and lots of incredulity. We're still waiting for your evidence.
     
  6. genericBob

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    My "incredulity" post includes facts that can not be brushed aside.
    the fact that the flight recorders from the alleged "FLT11" & "FLT175"
    were not only never found, but no piece identified as a bit of any of those recorders was found.
    in a process that sorted out peoples rings & watches from the rubble, a piece of an electronic assembly was missed?
    more likely, the flight recorders never existed because the flights were fake.

    also the claim that the evidence is 100% available,
    and that ALL of said evidence points to the hijacked
    airliners scenario. Lets get real here, when in all of
    the history of court cases, has there been a prosecution
    with 100% of the evidence known, and 100% of the evidence,
    points directly at one suspect? there are going to be anomalies.
    and the Defense & Prosecution both need to recognize & deal with it.
     
  7. Soupnazi

    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    Um no.

    Flight recorders are designed to survive most typical crashes. Crashing into a building is not typical. Also crashes are all unique no two are alike and bizarre differences often exist.

    It points to no such thing as the flights being faked especially when passengers were communicating with others up until the crash.

    That fact alone destroys your claim.

    The fact that there are always anomalies works against you not for you.
     
  8. genericBob

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    You have a very bazaar standard for evidence:
    "That fact alone destroys your claim."
    I assume you mean in reference to the phone calls
    and really the phone calls are among the least compelling
    bits of the "evidence" to be had in all of this.
    they are too easily faked and given the technology of
    even attempting a cell phone call from an aircraft that
    is moving at ~500 mph, this is much more than "incredulity"
    this is scientifically proven data of cell phones not working
    at all at 500 mph or at higher altitudes.

    The REAL evidence and data would have to come in the
    form of tangible articles such as aircraft parts, flight recorders,
    ( etc..... ) and again, these bits are lacking and we get excuses
    for why these things are not present, but the whole story hinges
    on a whole string of "it could happen like that" sorts of events that
    are implausible/improbable and so what are we left with?

    The fact that a total of 4 airliners allegedly crashed that day
    and all 4 conveniently left behind only token remnant of an
    aircraft, is quite remarkable, don't you think?
     
  9. LoneStrSt8

    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    NO they're NOT 'lacking'...you just refuse to acknowledge them.
     
  10. genericBob

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    Exactly how much documented tangible evidence
    exists to confirm the existence of any of the 4 flights
    that were allegedly hijacked & crashed?
     
  11. LoneStrSt8

    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    Ask the airlines.everything not relegated to museums was returned to them.

    And they existed

    people on them DIED
     
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    The airlines have it is an excuse,
    what about photographs & documentation
    of the aircraft wreckage before it was handed over to
    the airlines?

    Most poorly documented disaster ......

    oh well......
     
  13. LoneStrSt8

    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    Have you bothered to ask anyone?

    And there would be NO reason to 'photograph' the wreckage,they KNEW where the parts came from...
     
  14. Vlad Ivx

    Vlad Ivx Active Member Past Donor

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    Most poorly documented disaster in history.
     
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    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    Says who again?

    Numerous books of photographs have been published about 9/11 the cleanup was a major story for MONTHS on the local and national media

    So much for 'poorly documented'
     
  16. Vlad Ivx

    Vlad Ivx Active Member Past Donor

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    Keep trolling for he has a good point. Knowing of an organized attack, the president did not rush out of that place. According to Bush himself, they didn't know how many airliners were highjacked, nor who the attacker was at that moment. As Bob says, the Secret Service would rush the president out of a live broadcast knowing that the United States itself is being attacked by some unidentified party, with the natural assumption that this party might have the means to redirect the attack in real time towards that school.
     
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    Hmmm...

    I don't suppose you could provide a list of 5 disasters that were documented better so we can see what you're comparing this to?
     
  18. Vlad Ivx

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    So because they had the flight recorders, that means better documentation?

    I guess the FEAs, how many thousands of photographs, NIST reports, eyewitness reports, videos, news reporting, radar data, engineering data, metallurgical studies done on the beams (showing eutectic reactions), dust studies, etc. Means that it was not documented as well as those others?

    You're kidding right?
     
  20. Vlad Ivx

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    By the way, I'd like a reply from debunkers in regards to post #41.
     
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    Vlad Ivx Active Member Past Donor

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    The Pentagon crash and the Shanksville ghost plane. Ask whether they were well documented and it becomes a joke indeed. What videos do we have from the Pentagon (the most secure military building in the world) apart from a video as blurry as some UFO pictures?
     
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    So your criteria for 'documentation' includes video of the event happening?..

    And what's this 'most secure military building in the world' nonsense...The INSIDE may be secure,but the outside is in the flight path of Reagan airport...
     
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    How about documentation that includes but not limited to:
    Photographer stands at the north-east corner of ground zero
    and looks due west and shoots a picture, takes notes as to
    where the pix was taken from, and time of day ( etc.... )
    moves to another location maybe 100ft south of the first one
    and shoots another pix and again documents the time/date
    and where the camera was pointing. ( this would have to
    be done as soon after the collapse event as possible to make
    sure to get the evidence while the site was in the same condition
    as caused by the "collapse" in the first place )
    THIS is the essence of evidence gathering, there are a multitude
    of pictures, most shot after the clean-up effort had gotten underway
    and so are for the most part, useless for knowing bits about the
    rubble pile & what can be learned from the way things fell
    and what the steel looked like before the heavy equipment
    moved in to clear the site.
     
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    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    Assuming evidence....
     
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    assuming NOTHING
    the fact is that after a building "collapse" event such as
    was just happened, there would be a story to tell and a
    good bit of that INFORMATION, would be contained
    in the rubble pile, in the order than things fell into in the
    collapse event, in the things that could be seen, and indeed
    not seen, as in you don't find a chair, a desk, a computer,
    a telephone, the largest single bit of a telephone that one
    of the first responders reported seeing was less than 3"
    across. & no doorknobs either, where did all the stuff go?
    Pictures would help to tell the story, because at this stage
    of the game, we have so little INFORMATION that its no
    wonder that the debate rages on.
     

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