Structural redundancy...

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  1. genericBob

    genericBob New Member

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    so there is allegedly equal likelyhood of any given bit of rubble
    staying centered on the as yet undamaged lower part of the
    building, as would be to have it fall over the side of the building
    and be lost.

    In my universe its a rather heavy bit of magic
    to get the "pile driver" to maintain mass sufficient
    to do all that damage and at the same time eject
    mass quantities of pulverized material.
     
  2. LoneStrSt8

    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    No,there's NOT
     
  3. genericBob

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    Note also, steel bends before it breaks,
    therefore, what explains the mass quantity of
    nice straight pieces of steel at ground zero?
     
  4. LoneStrSt8

    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    Now you're dreaming.
     
  5. genericBob

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    You attempt to cover up the fact that so much of the
    steel shows breakage, but not bending, Yes there are
    bent pieces, but there is also an abundance of straight
    pieces and for a building that has allegedly experienced
    global collapse, how can that be accounted for?
     
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    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    you're imagining things
     
  7. genericBob

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    Wonderful, a three word rebuttal ..... is that all you have?
     
  8. LoneStrSt8

    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    It's all your ridiculous assertion deserves...Steel bends yes,but it also tears,breaks,and splinters....
     
  9. genericBob

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    and so in a global collapse event, the quantity of straight bits
    can be expected to be in the minority of all the steel seen?
    or? What do you think?

    you say "ridiculous assertion" I submit to the readers of this
    forum that this is a display of attitude. The facts speak for
    themselves. I encourage everybody to do their own looking
    for INFORMATION and come to your own conclusions.

    THINK! B4 it becomes ILLEGAL!
     
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    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    straight is a subjective term,the way you use it,facts speak for themselves,'straight' lengths of structural beam would be in the minority
     
  11. genericBob

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    look up "photos of ground zero"
    {http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/gzaerial3.html}
    that is just one of the links that had come up,
    and check out the pix available look at all the nice straight
    bits of steel.

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    look up "photos of ground zero"
    {http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/gzaerial3.html}
    that is just one of the links that had come up,
    and check out the pix available look at all the nice straight
    bits of steel.
     
  12. Hannibal

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    What shape would you like them in? Tell us: what shape would explosives leave them in?
     
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    Gamolon Well-Known Member

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    Do you know the difference between BREAKAGE and being CUT/SEVERED?

    Have any examples of pieces of steel showing signs of "breakage" at the points they were "broken" at?
     
  14. genericBob

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    Look at the pix that show the ends of box columns,
    the bits with bolt holes so as to connect the box column to
    the next one in sequence, how is it that these top plates are
    so flat and the bolt holes are not deformed? for a structure
    that was allegedly ripped apart by a catastrophic global structural failure,
    this stuff looks rather neat & tidy.....
     
  15. Hannibal

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    Link, please.
     
  16. genericBob

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    With explosives, all sorts of out-comes are possible,
    however one could expect to see in a catastrophic global
    "collapse" event such as was alleged for WTC 1, 2 & 7
    that ALL of the steel would show a lot of bending and
    stress to the bits because of the forces involved having
    to stress to the breaking point the vast majority of the
    connections within the structure.

    In the case of explosives, the job could have
    been done by cutter charges and so the steel
    would be cut at specific locations, leaving the
    majority of the box column or beam unaltered.
    ( as was observed in the rubble pile )
     
  17. Hannibal

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    Any math or science to back up this paragraph of speculation?

    Keep in mind the lack of any sound of explosives as the towers collapsed.
     
  18. genericBob

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    exactly how do you support the statement
    "lack of any sound of explosives"?
    the firefighters who made statements
    right after the towers "collapsed" stated
    "popping out just like detonators" "boom, boom, boom, boom"
    and gesturing downward to indicate as the tower came down.
    All of the witnesses who were anyplace around the towers,
    stated that the noise from the towers "collapsing" was positively
    deafening(!)

    When the action started up, the "collapse" event
    was more than 1000 ft from the ears of the observers,
    so even at that range, observers reported DEAFENING
    levels of sound, many explosions going off in sequence
    may not be perceived as explosions but simply noise.
     
  19. Hannibal

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    Link to your documentation of these "explosions". Link to an audio of these "detonations".
    You keep making claims without support or evidence.
     
  20. genericBob

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    The evidence is abundant
    I'm going to provide a link, and because this is but one
    of many, I encourage people to find their own either
    verification, or something that supports the official
    party line on this subject, suit yourself. The truth
    is out there, do you want to find it?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6-0tB8Ykg8
     
  21. Hannibal

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    I asked for a published paper by one of your experts with a PhD, and you link to YouTube.

    Can you provide any evidence?
     
  22. genericBob

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    I can only guess
    that I really can not provide anything as evidence, that is
    something that passes muster by your interpretation of
    what constitutes evidence, however, its there, its real
    and there were explosions documented by the firefighters,
    and news reporters. This fact alone is damning evidence.
    The 9/11 commission refused to accept testimony about
    the explosions at ground zero.
    Talk about limiting the evidence.
     
  23. Hannibal

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    Please link to the papers requested and stop trying to change the subject. Just show your source and prove your claim.
     
  24. genericBob

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    You asked for evidence, and the evidence
    is indeed abundant, however if the only
    thing that you will accept is a peer reviewed paper
    by a PHD type ...... well, I can not help you.......

    have a nice day

    : )
     
  25. Hannibal

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    That's how scientific and engineering evidence is presented, not through YouTube videos.
     

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