SU-35 vs F-22 RAPTOR Fighters Battle

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  1. Destroyer of illusions

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    Ten years ago, the Air Force United States have adopted a fifth-generation fighter F-22 Raptor, jointly developed by Lockheed Martin, Boeing and General Daynamiks. It replaced an obsolete by the time the F-15 Eagle and today is the world's only mass-produced and operated by the fifth generation fighter.
    For anti-record of this machine include price. It is curious that a decade ago was worth as much gold by weight equal to the weight of the F-22.
    But in the meantime, more modest Russian Su-35 aircraft of the fourth generation , a number of parameters exceeds the Americans about what, by the way, openly said US General Hal Homburg.
    And so: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5OmH0SzMkc

    [video=youtube;B5OmH0SzMkc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5OmH0SzMkc[/video]

    But the T-50 is already complete fighter of the fifth generation. So far made five prototypes of the T-50, which flew a total of 450 hours. In a series of this machine it is planned to start next year. And then the Americans definitely have to part with their fantasies about domination in the air and do deep upgrade raptors, or look for him a replacement.

    Perhaps that may soon start a big war. (Eg start in Syria and throughout the world.) In this war will be important air superiority. Who will control the air?
    What do you think about it?

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    Too bad we had fifth generation plane years before Russia has one coming of assembly line. by time Russia has enough of them in service the US will have next generation plane ready.
     
  3. Destroyer of illusions

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    In Russia now all construct very quickly. For example a very difficult project spaceport "Vostochniy" should finish this year. Also, the construction of military vehicles (ships, submarines, tanks "Armata", aircraft, new missiles, etc.)
     
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    F-22 cannot be seen on radar.

    :)
     
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    Russia is a decade behind in terms of avionics...the F-22 is the only true 5th generation fighter that is fully operational today, and a 6th generation unmanned Navy fighter is on the drawing board.

    The U.S. also has the X-37B which will be a capable satellite tracker/killer.
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    It's already celebrated 500 days in orbit.

    Space is the next battlefield frontier.
     
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    Only in your dreams.
     
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_F-22_Raptor#Stealth

    sometimes dreams come true. :)

    The F-22's exact radar cross-section (RCS) is classified; however, in 2009 Lockheed Martin released information indicating it has an RCS (from certain angles) of −40 dBsm – equivalent to the radar reflection of a "steel marble".
     
  8. yacc

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    F-35?
    It's not an another generation.
     
  9. AlphaOmega

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    Omg this is sooo intimidating. Lets hope they used different engineers than the ones who built your subs. Also...do Russians really think this kinda stuff is scary to us? Lol if you have to brag about it...it usually not brag worthy.
     
  10. AboveAlpha

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    First of all the USAF chose the Lockheed Martin YF-22 over the Northrup/McDonald Douglas YF-23 to be the (ATF) Advanced Tactical Fighter) as a replacement for the F-15 Eagle all the way back in April of 1991!!!

    Both Lockheed Martin and Northrup/McDonald Douglas had been designing a replacement for the F-15 Eagles back in the late 1970's and early 1980's!!!

    THIS MEAN'S THE F-22 RAPTOR STEALTH FIGHTER IS A LATE 1980'S DESIGN!!! AND ASPECTS OF THE F-22 RAPTORS DESIGN WERE ON THE DRAWING BOARD ALL THE WAY BACK IN 1979!!!!

    Thus aspects of the F-22 Raptor Stealth Fighter started being designed back in Oct. 1979....which is over 36 YEARS AGO!!!!

    The United States Air Force (ATF) Advanced Tactical Fighter Program was conceived back in 1979 and was and the USAF presented specifications it wanted built into the Stealth Aircraft that was to be the (ATF) back in 1981and two BIDDERS were considered as those bidders were Lockheed Martin and Northrup/McDonald Douglas.

    Lockheed Martin was able to present it's first (ATF) design in 1985.

    Northrup/McDonald Douglas presented it's first (ATF) design shortly after.



    Lockheed Martin and Northrup/McDonald Douglas had to have a complete proposal and design ready to present to the United States Air Force back at the end of 1990 and the U.S. Air Force selected the Lockheed Martin YF-22proposal for the (ATF) Advanced Tactical Fighter) over Northrup/McDonald Douglas in April of 1991.

    But the USAF chose the Lockheed Martin YF-22 over the Northrup/McDonald Douglas YF-23 to be the (ATF) Advanced Tactical Fighter) as a replacement for the F-15 Eagle all the way back in April of 1991.

    Lockheed Martin's first (ATF) Prototype the (N22YF) flew on Sept. 29th 1990. The second Lockheed Martin (ATF) Prototype (N22XF) flew on Oct. 30th 1990.

    The FIRST PRODUCTION F-22A FLEW ON SEPTEMBER 7TH 1997!!!!!

    So YOU are talking about a U.S. Air Force Stealth Fighter (ATF) Advanced Tactical Fighter that was being concieved and designed back in 1979!

    And the (ATF's) two bidders presented their FIRST DESIGNS BACK IN 1985!!!

    And you are talking about a Fighter Aircraft that had it's first Prototype flying in Sept. 1990!!!

    And you are talking about the winning bidder being Lockheed Martin FIRST PRODUCTION F-22A FLEW ON SEPTEMBER 7TH 1997!!!!!


    THINK ABOUT ALL THAT!!!

    Basically the F-22 Raptor since it's first prototype has been ACTUALLY FLYING FOR 25 YEARS!!!

    IT IS AN OLD DESIGN!!!

    The United States Air Force and Navy HAS BEEN FLYING GENERATION 6 FIGHTER/ATTACK DRONES FOR OVER 15 YEARS!!!!

    The United States Air Force and Navy HAS ALREADY BEEN FLYING GENERATION 7 FIGHTER/ATTACK DRONES FOR 4 YEARS NOW AND the Generation 7 Fighter/Attack Drones are FULLY AUTONOMOUS and we have taken off and landed Gen. 7 Robotic Fighter/Attack Drones on and from Nimitz Class Carriers as they have no Pilot and unlike the Gen. 6 Drones which need a Human Pilot not in the aircraft but need one to fly them REMOTELY.....the Gen. 7 Fighter/Attack Drones are FULLY ROBOTIC and FULLY AUTONOMOUS.

    Any member here can Google how these Robotic Drones have taken off and landed many times without any incident from Nimitz Class Aircraft Carriers.

    So....Destroyer of illusions.....you should destroy YOUR ILLUSION RIGHT NOW as the Russian T-50 exists in a totlal number of 9 and there supposedly will be built a total of 14 T-50 PROTOTYPES for TESTING PURPOSES ONLY by the end of 2015.

    The Russian Air Force HOPES....HOPES...to have at least 20 of the T-50 Fighters battle ready and operational by the year 2020 however the designation of the T-50 will most likely change to the T-52 or T-55 as the current T-50 design must have major design changes made to it as it currently has an extending tail CONE which within it is a PARACHUTE to slow the T-50 down when it comes in for a landing as the T-50's wing geometry is not cpably designed to slow down the T-50 sufficiently upon landing and thus without a parachute even with reverse engine thrust the wheel breaks on the landing gear BURNS OUT...thus the need for a parachute.

    Destroyer....this entire Topic of yours is ridiculous!!!

    First of all an Su-35 has absolutely ZERO CHANCE against an F-22 Raptor operating in full stealth mode.

    An Su-35 or even 10 Su-35's could not locate an incomming F-22 Raptor and the Su-35 Pilots would be blown out of the sky before they even knew what was happening.

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    Of course it has. Because F-22 is an OLD plane and it was designed to compete with old Su-27 and Mig-29.
    Su-35 has dramatically new radar and weapon system.
     
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    Russian experts say that the reflecting surface the F22 and F35 about 0.3 square meters. Lockheed Martin says that it succeeded 0.0001 for F22 and 0,001 for F35. I think it's a fairy tale. USA likes to show off. The reflecting surface of a nuclear warhead 0,1-0,25. The reflecting surface of a sparrow 0,0008. F22 is less than 8 times the sparrow is nonsense. Nuclear warheads perfectly visible on the radar. More small purpose too. Besides, Russian experts did not abuse stealth to the detriment of maneuverability. Because invisibility is a bluff. This is Russian analogue of F22. This is T50 and he goes to the army in 2016. There are about 15 things right now. They are very similar. So I do not believe that the T50 has a 0.3 and F22 has 0.0001.
     
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    It's an advertisment. :clapping: F-22 cannot has radar cross section lower than long range ballistic missile warhead.
     
  14. AboveAlpha

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    Parts of the existing F-22 Raptor design is now OVER 30 YEARS OLD!!

    The FIRST Production F-22 flew Sept. 1997....so 18 years ago.

    But still even though aspects of the design of the F-22 are over 36 years old the USAF's F-22 Raptor is currently the most lethal and capable PILOTED Air Supremacy Fighter/Attack Aircraft in the world.

    Currently...the most lethal, stealthy and capable Air Supremacy Aircraft existing is the USAF's Gen. 7 Robotic Self Autonomous Stealth Fighter/Attack Drone.

    4 Years ago that title of the worlds most lethal, stealthy and capable Air Supremacy Aircraft existing was the USAF's Gen. 6 Remote Piloted Stealth Fighter/Attack Drone.

    Not even an F-22 Raptor can come even close to matching either the USAF's Gen. 6 or Gen. 7 Air Supremacy Fighter/Attack Drones.

    The USAF owns Mig-29's, Su-27's, Su-30's and the Su-35 is nothing more than a upgraded Su-27.

    The Sukhoi Su-35 (Russian: Сухой Су-35; NATO reporting name: Flanker-E[N 1]) is a designation for two separate, heavily upgraded derivatives of the Su-27 'Flanker'.

    The U.S. Air Force routinely fly's Mig-29's, Su-27's and Su-30's at the Groom Lake Facility in Nevada known as Area 51 as well such aircraft have been sent to Wright Patterson AFB which is home of the USAF's reverse engineering division as these Soviet and Russian Aircraft have been taken apart bolt by bolt and put back together as well as flown.

    There does not exist a manner Fighter Aircraft capable of defeating a F-22 Raptor when the Raptor is operating in full stealth mode.

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    The Russian Air Force itself states that it hopes to have a total of 20 T-50 or a varient of BATTLE READY BY 2020!!!!

    RIGHT NOW the Russian T-50 exists in a totlal number of 9 and there supposedly will be built a total of 14 T-50 PROTOTYPES for TESTING PURPOSES ONLY by the end of 2015!!!

    These first 14 T-50's will be built supposedly this year and will be used for TESTING PURPOSES ONLY!!!

    Your above post stating the T-50 will be available to the Russian Army in 2016 is FANTASY!!!

    AboveAlpha
     
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    The Government reported that in early 2016 the T-50 will go on combat units of the army. Until 2020, it was planned to purchase 50 pieces, but due to budget savings will be purchased 15. If the money in the budget will be more, then Т-50 will be purchased greater amount.
     
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    The Russian Military ITSELF....and you can go onto the Russian Military Website.....that the currently existing T-50must be redesigned and that 9 currently exist and a total of 14 will be built in 2015 for TESTING PURPOSES ONLY!!!

    The T-50 as it currently exists must be REDESIGNED and you can look at the currently existing T-50's and see a long cone at the end of the aircraft that holds a parachute.

    ONLY 20 redesigned T-50's which will most likely be redesignated either as T-52's or perhaps T-55's will be HOPEFULLY as they are not certain they will be ready for production by 2020 as the existing T-50 will NOT be placed into production.

    There will NOT be any T-50's even made for actual combat and there certainly will NOT be any ready for Combat Duty or used by the Russian Army in 2016.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    You do not know the Russian language and you can not know what the military say. You read English-language media. These media write lies about Russia every day. I saw Truman shouted when the Soviet Union was the first in space. Do you think that you are the best in the planet? That's funny.
     
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    You are talking to a person who has spent a great deal of time in Russia when it was a part of the Soviet Union as well when it became the Russian Federation.

    I have spent way too much time cursing the traffic gridlock on the rings of the MKAD (МКАД).

    I have partied at a High Ranking Communist Party Leadership ONLY Club in Leningrad right on the Neva River.

    My Russian is not what it used to be but it's not that bad.

    So don't assume anything about who and what I am and what I have done.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    Ha ha ha! Now I understand why you lie constantly about Russia. You are a part of the state machine who is deceiving citizens of USA. Why do you kill, abduct, torture, rob millions of people in the World?
    Esli ti znaesh russkiy togda perevedi to 4to ya pishu angliyskimi bukvami. Raz ti dolgo zil v Rossii to ti dolzen ponyat eto soobshenie.
     
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    If you know Russian then translate what I write in English letters. Since you're long ZIL in Russia then you have to understand this message.

    Tricky SOB!

    LOL!!!

    AboveAlpha
     
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    Or I should say....Хитрый сукин сын! LOL!!!

    AboveAlpha
     
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    Lots of Russians will die. They should know better than to play with the big boys.
     
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    US does not have enough diapers to defeat Russia.
    So you're just lie about Russia. You must know that before the end of 2015 will be completed testing missiles for the T-50. At the beginning of 2016 the aircraft will be in combat troops.
     
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    Sorry, F-22 can be seen on radar Ronstar and this is even not being denied by USAF. But the signature is very low of course ...

    However ... NO! This time I stay out of this silly "my one is loner as your one" dispute of Russia is cool against USA is the best nonsense!
     

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