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  1. truthvigilante

    truthvigilante Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You keep responding to the thread, but that is not evidence it has any real substance regarding an overall political argument. It was an article of interest that has food for thought about the interesting political landscape.

    You just want to go on and on and on and on about nothing, and I happen to enjoy watching you anally go on and on about nothing, squirming your way through shallow detail. The thread should not have as near the amount of comments it has, but I like playing along attempting to get you to argue some real and factual substance!
     
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    Not your claim is it? You proclaimed it to be something that it is not. The fact you have continued to attempt to insult people who clearly demonstrate that your premise is of absolutely no foundation of anything you pretended it to be.

    The food for thought was stated and you simply insulted the message and the messenger because you could not refute it. You did not want to debate it or even refute it, Simply insulted anybody who spoke against YOUR word (because that is all it was)
    I just continue to demonstrate your total inability to provide nothing but your insults. Points where raised, You could not refute so insult was your course. You could not figure a way to discuss any points because your handlers obviously where lost with your attempt to protect your... what? credibility ( you have none) maybe your poll (which was demonstrated as a fabrication of yours) maybe the lies you spout... LOL

    The really stupid part is that it is your thread and you can provide nothing... LOL


    No the truth is you have decided that this site is a place you can insult people for not believing what you say... That is obviously a reflection from outside sources influencing your life.

    The fact is points have been raised and you provided nothing but your attempt at insults. I say attempt, because it is actually a reflection on you and your ability, which gives the person who you attempt to insult the best compliment that you cannot think how to refute their points.

    Bring your substance, as so far nothing has come from you. Nothing seems to be what you have.
     
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    truthvigilante Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You provided nothing to refute but anal arguments that had no bearing on the overall analysis of the poll, of which everyone actually commented on but you.
     
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    Comments have been made and yet you continue to attempt insult... I have provided all and you simply provide insult.

    The fact that the poll is a fabrication of yours, how can one politically analyse the poll?

    As the very first reply to your fabrication was directed at the poll and you simply provided insult (not debate) pretending this poll speaks for itself demonstrates your exact credibility level... LOL ... Zero

    When you would like to refute the points raised, maybe you could have a debate. But I know that will take you couple days as your minders are on holidays, so we can expect nothing but your futile attempts at insulting others.
     
  5. truthvigilante

    truthvigilante Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Had good reason to slam the comment in post #2 it was anal. It was the only poll of its kind focusing on those policies. I know it was a kick in the guts for you and goes against the grain of everything you proclaimed and were led to believe by mainstream media, but that is too bad!
     
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    So your insults are supposed to be 'slamming'? LOL yet again, you did not address any points... You provided nothing... and you proclaimed your own opinion as fact...provided nothing but attempt at insult and again here... totally lacked in every area.

    Again you lie in attempt to justify your fabrications. Tell the truth, this is the only poll you decided would agree with your stance on these policies.

    LOL... You provide a poll of less than 0.0436% of the population proclaiming it as fact of representation of the entire population’s opinion, which you resort to fabricating results, to support claims of government having some sort of chance of re-election.

    You ignore the reasons that lies and corruption and attempt to proclaim that majority of people are so shallow as to simply oust the government because Gillard lied. You do not even refute that the population is far more in-depth than yourself and simply through insults about in an attempt to berate people into agreeing with what you believe.

    So again this entire thread has demonstrated to the rest of the world, exactly how incredulous you are. You create the premise and then cannot provide anything of support or rebuttal just insults and opinionated rhetoric… Nothing.

    Nothing of substance and nothing but YOUR opinion and insults in attempts to squirrel your way through this thread.
     
  7. truthvigilante

    truthvigilante Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I fabricated this poll didnt I, so how do you know so much about it? I could have interviewed everyone bar you! Sorry, you must have been debating my comments on political forum when I rang! But then you suggest I chose a poll out of many that suit. I waiting for you to link us to another that suggest differently on these questions......I'll wait and remind you patiently!
     
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    Due to the fact you could not provide a source I went looking. When I found the supposed poll I also found several discrepancies you proclaim as fact. Yes you fabricated the poll, and it hardly matters who you interview as the results you proclaim to speak for themselves, only speak for what you want them to.
    Wait all you like. I am not running around after you who believe their opinion is fact.

    When you actually provide something of substance in rebuttal, then I will provide something to support my claims, I have already provided enough (even demonstrated your lies). But due to the fact you cannot in any way support your own claims other than attempts to insult people (again the tool of the incapable). Find something that supports YOUR claim that the poll is a true representation of the people’s opinion.

    LOL... It is YOUR responsibility to substantiate your own claims... especially when it relies on your opinion to be of substance.
     
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    truthvigilante Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Again, you simply can't stand the fact that the poll cuts across all the deception you believed in foolishly! I've provided the substance, but waiting for you to provide alternate substance on the same issues raised. Until you can provide a poll that suggests differently on the questions surveyed, you have nothing to stand on. The poll was presented on the nightly news, I didn't get it from your website! It obviously the same unless you are being anal!

    Yep, talking about the kettle and the pot proverb, I'm sure you need to take your words into consideration. If you go back through the thread you'll find that you're the only one that had comments moderated due to personal attacks.....it's funny how you attempt to paint others with a brush that you have been stroked with yourself! We know who is full of personal insults now don't we?

    Now I've provided a poll that suggests positives related to the big policy issue, how about you try and find something that disputes the perception of each of these great policies!

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    Again, you simply can't stand the fact that the poll cuts across all the deception you believed in foolishly! I've provided the substance, but waiting for you to provide alternate substance on the same issues raised. Until you can provide a poll that suggests differently on the questions surveyed, you have nothing to stand on. The poll was presented on the nightly news, I didn't get it from your website! It obviously the same unless you are being anal!

    Yep, talking about the kettle and the pot proverb, I'm sure you need to take your words into consideration. If you go back through the thread you'll find that you're the only one that had comments moderated due to personal attacks.....it's funny how you attempt to paint others with a brush that you have been stroked with yourself! We know who is full of personal insults now don't we?

    Now I've provided a poll that suggests positives related to the big policy issue, how about you try and find something that disputes the perception of each of these great policies!
     
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    Cuts across deception? How can a deception cut across deception... LOL


    again your opinion is not substance. You could not even reference your own sources...LOL

    No, you provide nothing.

    LOL... yet you proclaim that I am parroting the media? Again perhaps if you addressed the points raised (instead you attempted to insult) you may actually be a person that needs to be shown substantial evidence. Due to the fact that you proclaim your opinion as fact and provide nothing. It is not worth running around.
    The poll may have been presented on the nightly news, I have already demonstrated how you fabricated the results to Supposedly support your stance. I have already demonstrated that 457 visas are not in the poll as what you proclaim... I already have demonstrated that 457 visas are a Howard government policy which Gillard is attempting to use to scare the Gullible. And what is your rebuttal? Attempt at insult. No substance, no supportive evidence again fact is, you could not even reference your own poll... LOL
    LOL... I have already asked, demanded and begged for something of substance to support your opinionated claims. Fact is, you have nothing yet you proclaim that you have provided everything. However, it is only YOUR opinion you proclaim as fact.

    LOL... if you go back, I have had my comments censored, You have had your posts deleted. So what is it you are trying to dodge? Oh that is right, your attempts to insult as rebuttal. Again providing nothing.

    Yes we do, because you have nothing else.
    I have demonstrated that what you provide (an unsourced poll)and is not the truth.

    When you answer to your fabrication and attempt to portray you opinion as fact, then come demand support for my claims. Until you have substance, then I see no reason to run around further proving you wrong... LOL
     
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    Citation/s please (link/s).
     
  12. truthvigilante

    truthvigilante Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yours were simply for personal attacks! Gotta stop this gazza, your ad homs are being exposed!

    I provided the source of the poll in the OP! Go back and look!
     
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    LOL... If you actually knew what an Ad hom is, you would consider it is not appropriate... But that is fine. Keep trying to insult. Again it only demonstrates your inability to provide anything.
    Then perhaps you could explain why others are asking for the links? LOL

    No you have not referenced the poll, you simply make fabrications of it. Fact is many are surprised and find it unbelievable that this poll is real due entirely to the fact you have made fabrications.... LOL
     
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    truthvigilante Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I provided the reference in the OP and Garry provided a link in post #7.
     
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    truthvigilante Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Lol.....you're the only one claiming "I" fabricated the poll! You get lost in all the petty detail and expect everyone to respond. If someone asked you what the population of Australia was, you'd probably want to refer to the population clock but still deduce why it wouldn't be right. It's not wrong to be like that, just annoying when you are talking broader issues.

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    Lol.....you're the only one claiming "I" fabricated the poll! You get lost in all the petty detail and expect everyone to respond. If someone asked you what the population of Australia was, you'd probably want to refer to the population clock but still deduce why it wouldn't be right. It's not wrong to be like that, just annoying when you are talking broader issues.
     
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    Petty detail? If you fabricate things and demand everybody believe it to be the facts, it is not petty. Due to the fact you have not refuted the point, you did not even reference your own poll. My guess is you are attempting to mislead the forum.

    Again, nobody needs to respond, that is their prerogative, but you have to back your claims, which you obviously cannot.

    LOL... when you attempt to claim that less than 0.00436% of the population is spouting the beliefs of the population, then again your a nut job. that does not represent Australia's opinion and the fact you fabricated results, simply discredits the poll. The count of the population has little to do with the poll as it only depicts the wishes of 1000 people who could be simply all ALP drones (if that was the case, imagine the insurmountable problem Gillard really had, If the poll was a true account of the peoples wishes... it is not)

    The fact I claim that all these polls, are not great indicators of the Australian wishes does not enter into your mind, does it? But to produce a poll that simply makes statement to what you believe (ignoring every other poll) and fabricating the results, only stands to discredit yourself. If you have actually wanted to discuss the broader issues, you would have made points to those ends. BUT YOU DID NOT.
     
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    truthvigilante Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well show us a poll that indicates different outcomes based on the issues surveyed! Stop being insulting while you are at it!
     
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    LOL... still attempting to sit on the one poll you claim as the truth I see. As others have told you, it is your responsibility to support your own claims. I have supported mine using your own un-sourced poll and you cannot handle that.

    And you claim you want to debate the broader issues then resort back to a shallow fabricated poll to claim support for your opinion... LOL
     
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    truthvigilante Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The poll was sourced, the source was provided on the OP! What don't you understand about this.....lol!

    Yes, the poll was fabricated it didn't just appear out of thin air...maybe you would like to debate that too!
     
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    No it was not, directly demonstrated in the first. Demanded and only sourced and referenced by myself. When I demonstrated your fabrications.
    Well glad you finally come clean, would you like to mention a broader issue you proclaimed to be your premise? You know those points you forgot to mention?
     
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    I provided the source, and I give you credit for referencing it....lol! It's not too hard finding a reference once you have the source! Again, yes it was fabricated by the source!
     
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    LOL... For somebody who claims they are not into semantic debates, You try hard to have one... LOL

    LOL... now you want to change the record?... LOL after admitting the truth you now change your mind?... LOL

    That last question I asked you must have set your mind in a fit, you still have not mentioned those broader issues you proclaim to be the point of your thread.
     
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    Well, a source is a source Garry, no semantics at all! I was wondering what you were on about! Recusant asked for a citation so I directed her to the one you found! My intial citation was from a nightly news program which I have stated over and over and over again! We should all know how to use the Internet, which you have demonstrated!
     
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    LOL... So breaking forum rules of not linking sources is not a semantic debate? Yes TV semantics, you did not provide the sources you simply stated what it was.

    In future understand that simply posting things you see on the telly is not reasonable source. When you see it on the Boobtube go and look it up and reference it. That way you can get it right. This only demonstrates how media sensationalise the story and you bugger it up. Fact is the poll is supposedly half true and again of no consequence as to the very points I have stated previous.

    As stated when you use media tactics in attempt to illustrate your opinion, then it is hypocritical to then blame the media for doing the same.
     
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    I gave credit to the source! I mentioned who undertook survey, so therefore broke no rules. Please provide evidence that I broke the rules! You've made the accusation! You got to get beyond this petty debate. I mean I'll keep stating the obvious to you time and time again!

    Now show where I broke the rules of the forum!
     

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