Sweden Continues to Prove Everyone Wrong

The USA and other countries blatantly lied about the "Spanish flu" where first case detected was in Kansas. It was called "Spanish flu" because Spain wasn't under the news blackout, so that's where a lot of the news came from.

The reason for the lies and secrecy was WWI.

The US government did attack that flu with orders to shut down businesses and take other action that certainly affected our economy at a time when we were already under duress from other causes.

 

Sweden's mortality rate is pretty high.

7% last time i checked.

 

Are you trying to convince people that locking down and isolating caused all the deaths?

I doubt anyone not RW will believe you.

 

Let's also realize that Swedish society tends to be pretty cold and distant, and the people have less interaction with each other, and often do so more at a distance.
There's a stereotype in Sweden of people in public going out of their way to avoid being near strangers, sometimes even refusing to get in an elevator if they see someone else is in it, and waiting until the elevator is empty. (Nothing to do with the pandemic, this has been going on for decades)

Also the Winters there are very long, and at this time of year things have still not really begun warming up yet, so many people are still hunkering down and not going outside as much. At least in the cities. (Rural people are outside more, but there is low population density there, so disease is not likely to spread)

I suspect social, cultural, and climate factors could explain more than whatever government policy there is.

 

HIV cant be transmitted by coughing, sneezing and talking.

Covid-19 can.

 

Country,
Other Total
Cases New
Cases Total
Deaths New
Deaths Total
Recovered Active
Cases Serious,
Critical Tot Cases/
1M pop Deaths/
1M pop Total
Tests Tests/
1M pop
Sweden 11,445 1,033 381 10,031 915 1,133 102 54,700 5,416

Sweden. 102 deaths/1M pop
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

 

Another factor: Swedish society is very conformist and Swedish people tend to follow the rules. So they are probably strictly sticking to the government's health precaution recommendations, and there is a lot of social pressure to follow the rules.

The country has a large refugee population, but that population is poorer and doesn't travel to other places as much. Although some of them do travel back and forth to the Middle East to visit relatives.

 

yep, one thing Trump is not.. is honest

 

we do not know that Trump and his task force was wrong yet..... could be Trump was trying to hide his failing economy and blame it on something sure, but I think he knew he could keep the bubble going till after the election, so I doubt that conspiracy theory is true

 

There is no longer any doubt: Sweden is victorious.


All the alarmists were wrong. The lock downs are a needless disaster foisted on millions by corrupt politicians and charlatans.

God bless Sweden.

 

This is not even remotely accurate.

 

lol

You know Sweden has won when you Google "Sweden" and the news results have relatively little to do with their coronavirus numbers.

The media will simply send Sweden down the memory hole to be forgotten. It's no longer convenient to talk about.

 

“Analyzed by categorical age group, older Swedish patients with confirmed COVID-19 were more likely to die than to be admitted to the ICU, suggesting that predicted prognosis may have been a factor in ICU admission,” the researchers write in a study published online for the journal Clinical Infectious Diseases. “This likely reduced ICU load at the cost of more high-risk patients dying outside the ICU.”

The implication here is that Sweden chose to emphasize personal responsibility, but when the choice led to increased infections among the elderly, medical professionals seem to have taken on the responsibility of choosing who likely lives and dies.

...This is why Sweden isn't Florida...

“Higher levels of individual action would further suppress the infection, while a complete lack of individual action would likely have led to runaway infection, which, fortunately, hasn’t happened.”

(It’s worth noting that the gap between Sweden and its neighboring countries has grown significantly since May 15, to between 10 and 20 times as many deaths per 100,000 population compared to Denmark, Finland and Norway.)"

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ericma...-reason-may-be-something-darker/#50e094f969bd

 

Again, the numbers speak for themselves. 0.05% of Sweden's population has died from COVID. And many who died were already on the verge of death anyway. Haggling over fractions of a percentage point is just grasping at straws.

 

In war(and Trump called it the war against an invisible enemy), sacrifices sometimes have to be made. If COVID hits hardest among the elderly and those with prexisting conditions, then it's a worthy sacrifice for them to stay at home and/or to have end-of-life care. Whilst the healthy can go about living their lives.

To me, it's not 'dark', it's reasonable and it's something we should look into to free up the ICU beds. It's not "murdering grandma", it's being pragmatic.

 

Fractions of a percentage? I can't tell if you are joking. Sweden has had 7,415 cases per million and 547 deaths per million. Denmark is at 2,251 and 105. Norway is at 1,656 and 47. Finland is at 1,317 and 59. So Sweden has 329% more cases than Denmark and 520% more deaths. They have 447% as many cases as Norway and 1163% as many deaths. They have 563% of the cases of Finland and 927% as many deaths. So of course, 1163% difference, also known as a fraction of a percentage Ethereal™.

 

It's both.

And it wouldn't work here, which means it's as pragmatic as shooting yourself...

 

Sweden didn’t win, Sweden is a cautionary tale. Their economy is in the tanks like everyone else’s. The whole point of this wasn’t to have herd immunity the fastest, it was to keep their economy going in the face of Russian aggression. But it didn’t work. Their economy is not going to recover anytime soon. Simple as that.

 

It’s not a sacrifice, it’s a death drive. You’re killing people because they’re useless in these times. How pathetic is the us to allow these deaths to happen?

 

Iam old enough to remember when were bent out of shape about death panels under Obama.

 

That was when i first started getting into politics. My, what old souls we are.

 

I'm not killing people, the virus is killing people. I'm just choosing the best course of action for the majority. I'm being an egalitarian in this difficult situation.

 

No you are not. Your actions cause people to die, especially if you’re a vector for the disease.

 

Okay, let me be even cruder: People die. The question is, whether we're going to continue to go through this "lockdown" phase as cases spring up, or whether we can acknowledge what Sweden did, and specifically isolate and provide end-of-care for the most vulnerable.

It's not possible to save mostly everyone, it is however possible for us to minimize the damage by enabling those most susceptible to taking the brunt of the damage.

 

It’s literally the opposite of minimalizing deaths. It’s maximizing deaths in the vain hope it will stop people from getting sick in the future. It doesn’t work because nobody wants to get sick. It’s a simple tragedy of the commons. Everyone benefits but nobody wants to get sick.