Swine flu verses Covid-19

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  1. Bowerbird

    Bowerbird Well-Known Member

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    https://time.com/5804899/u-s-coronavirus-needs-follow-s-korea/
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Thank you for your source.

    I know, let's test your reading comprehension.

    Are you suggesting, using your source, he said we only have 15 cases and within a couple days it was going to zero, and we would have ended the cases in the US?

    Is this your position?
     
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    Good one.

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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sure.

    No, the White House didn’t ‘dissolve’ its pandemic response office. I was there.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...-didnt-dissolve-its-pandemic-response-office/
     
  5. Sandy Shanks

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    I assert that covid-19 is nothing more than a new virus for an old enemy of man -- the common cold. I further assert that the target of this new virus are the elderly with underlying sicknesses such as lung or heart disease. It is rare for people under the age of fifty to die from this virus, and 80% of those who have it do not know they have it. Many do not even have the symptoms of the common cold.

    There are today 116 deaths from covid-19 in the U.S. up from 105 from yesterday.

    In the three months since this began thousands of older people have died in the U.S. from various diseases. No doubt a small number were afflicted with the common cold caused by the coronavirus.

    I would estimate that number to be around 116.
     
  6. 9royhobbs

    9royhobbs Well-Known Member

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    I would have sworn I saw that somewhere, but can't find that now.......so I guess I'm wrong on that one.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yeah.

    You saw it on the fake news.

    You just never looked for verifying material to support the fake news you were being fed.
     
  8. Sandy Shanks

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    On average I watch 2 1/2 to 3 hours of news each day. An estimated 95% of the news these days concerns the ability of the government and the media to scare us citizens half to death with what they say will happen sometime in the future. The media stresses the anticipated shortage of hospital beds, ventilators, testing kits, swabs, masks, and other things. We are being told those afflicted with covid-19 will skyrocket and that the U.S. is where Italy was two weeks ago. The media says very little about about the successes in places like South Korea, Singapore, Hong Kong, Japan, and elsewhere, successes we have a great chance of duplicating.

    Note to the media: The U.S. is not a third world country and we have the best health systems in the world.

    The media with all its great reporting on the coronavirus pandemic rarely mentions the death toll in the U.S., which stands at 135 after three months within a population of 327 million. Those who have died were in their 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s. The youngest were in their early or mid-50s. The victims had health problems and most were in nursing homes or other facilities. Here's what we know about the 100 coronavirus deaths in the US - CNN

    Little wonder why the media in its effort to create panic rarely mentions the miniscule death toll and the condition of the victims. We expect that older people with health problems will die from the complications caused by the common cold caused by the coronavirus.

    The point being, this pandemic does not affect the general population.

    The government and the media won't tells us that.

    Governor Cuomo of New York came on again today as he does everyday to gives us his dire report. We got the sad news of the lack of testing while the number of cases shot up because of increased testing, the future shortage of hospital beds, ventilators, etc., etc. the reader knows the drill. For the second day in a row -- I have been tracking Cuomo for two days -- Cuomo failed to mention how many had died in his state. He doesn't want us to know. That would ruin the message.

    As of two days ago (the latest report on the internet) with a population of 19.54 million, seven people in the state of New York have died of the coronavirus in three months. NY state deaths from coronavirus rises to seven - New York Daily News

    Yeah, Cuomo doesn't want you to know that.
     
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    That's hilarious.
    Because one of the biggest take away of freedoms was the PA. Enacted by Bush II and the R congress. And they did it with the fear of 9/11.
    Remember how scared the RW was back in 01?
     
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    So I never looked to verify the fake news I thought I saw? How does one do that?
    I made a mistake and admitted it. You should try it sometime. It would take up all your time, but worth it in the long run. You'll be a better person.
     
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    I'd love to hear the mental gymnastics behind that take.
     
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    It's not my fault I'm almost always right.

    There have been two times I've admitted I was wrong here, I think.

    See if you can find them.
     
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    And this would be another time. No, I take that back. There are many times you are ALMOST right but alas, you are wrong. When you say "find them", are you referring to just this thread?
     
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    Really.

    What was I wrong about.

    You can pre-apologize again if you want.
     
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    Well, I have the inclination, the maturity, and the wherewithal... but unfortunately, I don't have the time.
     
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    Trump consistently uses half measures.

    Trump announced recently he was invoking the Defense Production Act, which was established in 1950 in response to production needs during war. That same day, "I only signed the Defense Production Act to combat the Chinese Virus should we need to invoke it in a worst case scenario in the future," Trump tweeted. "Hopefully there will be no need, but we are all in this TOGETHER!"

    That way, for those who approved the move he can say he invoked the wartime act because he is a "wartime President." To those who opposed the move, Trump can say "I really didn't mean it."

    Trump consistently wants it both ways. He sometimes makes a fair stand-up comic when he does this.

    Referring to a vaccine for malaria (caused by a parasite) working on covid-19 (caused by a virus), Trump said that if it works, it will be a game changer. Then he added, "Or maybe not." Trump's medical expert got up to the mike quickly to explain testing of the vaccine will take months.

    Trump said his government is not a "shipping clerk" when criticizing governors trying to obtain supplies. Then he said governors are doing a"fantastic job" getting supplies and Trump's FEMA director said his agency was shipping supplies to the states.

    Many times Trump avoids unpleasant facts.

    When asked about the travel ban imposed by his state department, Trump referred the reporter to the state department and refused to to talk about it.

    When asked about the use of bandanas by health caregivers, Trump said he hasn't seen that and he turned the matter over to Pence. The bandana issues have been in the media for days.

    Trump said we should have known about this months ago. China reported the virus to the WHO in December. The U.S. government became aware of the virus in January.

    Jan 22
    “We have it totally under control. ... It’s going to be just fine.”
    — Donald Trump

    How did this incompetent man become our President? He is a joke.
     
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    The swine flu originated in Veracruz Mexico. Just imagine if Obama/Biden had the backbone to close the southern border right away.
     
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    Don't change the subject. They were following Tramp's incompetent policy directive.
     
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    "It's [COVFEFE-45 virus] something we have tremendous control of"
    - Donald Jackass Tramp, Mar 15,2020
     
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    The first American death was Feb 29, we are now at 1,300 on Mar 26, less than a month from the first death.
    The Trump-45 virus seems unlimited in scope.
     
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    That is Tramp's position, as you well know.
    Tramp: And we have it [COVFEFE-45 virus] totally under control.
    - Donald Jackass Tramp, Jan 22, 2020
     
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    You understand that this will likely kill more people in a week than the swine flu killed in two years, right?

    You completely fail to comprehend the magnitude of the situation. What a shock. :rolleyes:
     
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    Just as a small follow up to the whole comparison of H1N1 to Coronavirus, I posted the following stats earlier:

    It is now just under 2 weeks since that time. In the past 2 weeks, COVID-19 is now at:

    COVID-19 after ~120 days: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
    - 532,263 cases
    - 24,090 deaths
    - 4.52% mortality rate

    The way things are going, we can say with almost certainty that there will be a 5 fold increase in deaths by the end of today (Mar 27), and a 4 fold increase in cases. From the evidence we have available vs what was available during the H1N1 outbreak, far more deadly, far more contagious.

    Lastly, United States stats comparison for those who care:

    H1N1 after 120 days (reminder: originated in Mexico, was spreading in the US much sooner than COVID-19):
    - 33,902 cases
    - 170 deaths
    - 0.5% death rate

    COVID-19 after ~120 days (including the time frame when it was in Wuhan and not really spreading in the states):
    - 85,594 cases
    - 1,300 deaths
    - 1.51% death rate
     
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    You will likely be very wrong.
     

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