Syrian Army vs Al Qaeda

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  1. stuntman

    stuntman Well-Known Member

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    Israel attacked Syrian army aftar rockets bombed inside of Israel teritory, Israel didnt bomb just like that.
    Israel sees Syrian army as the responsible organization in Syria.

    Israel treats and hospitelized Syrian people who got injure and needed medical help.
    Source: http://www.timesofisrael.com/syrian-rebel-leader-thanks-pm-for-standing-by-wounded/

    Source: http://america.aljazeera.com/articl...woundedseektreatmentfromisraelihospitals.html

    Here what Israel DM, Ya'alon said about the romurs that Israel aiding Al Queda:
    Source: http://news.antiwar.com/2014/10/15/...ian-rebels-to-keep-al-qaeda-away-from-border/
     
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    Assad was born in 1930, when Syria was still a French protectorate. He was a member of the small Alawite Shi'ite community in a country of predominantly Sunni Muslims. The Alawite clans were viewed by France as potential tools in the old divide-and-rule strategy of colonial government, and were given privileged treatment http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2000/06/assa-j16.html

    During the period of the French mandate (1920-46), sectarian divisions were deliberately incited in order to suppress Arab nationalism and stifle the national independence movement. Separatism and the particularism of religious and national minorities — politique minoritaire — were encouraged by the granting of autonomous status to areas where such minorities formed a majority.

    Arab nationalism, developed mainly by the Sunni Muslim community, was perceived as a threat by the French as well as by the Christians and the heterodox Muslim communities (Druzes, Ismailis and Alawites).2 Therefore, the French mandate administration cultivated a friendly relationship with the Druze, Alawites and some smaller communities. The mandate administration thus granted autonomy to Syria's two regionally compact minority groups, the Druze and the Alawites
    The mountain district behind Latakia, with its large Alawite population, became a special administrative regime under heavy French protection and was proclaimed a separate state.
    The French policy of divide and rule eroded the ties among Syria's religious and ethnic groups, forging factions within each group and against the others. The French balanced ethnic representation by placing separate ethnicities at the head of different institutional branches of government, allowing one ethnic or religious group to be strongly represented in an institution. As a consequence, the Sunni Arabs were dominant in politics, the officer corps, the gendarmerie and the police, but underrepresented in the military's rank and file. By contrast, the Circassians were overrepresented in the army, but poorly represented in parliament and the police. The Alawites were overrepresented among the soldiers, but poorly represented in politics, the officer corps, the gendarmerie and the police.

    http://www.mepc.org/journal/middle-east-policy-archives/roots-alawite-sunni-rivalry-syria

    1936 letter signed by 80 Alawi leaders addressed to the French Prime Minister which said that the "Alawite people rejected attachment to Syria and wished to stay under French protection". Among the signatories was Sulayman Ali al-Assad, father of Hafez al-Assad - The Politics of Arab Nationalism, 1920–1945. Princeton: Princeton University Press, 1987.

    The French encouraged Alawites to join their military forces, in part to provide a counterweight to the Sunni majority which was more hostile to their rule.
    A succession of coups ensued until, in 1963, a secretive military committee (including Alawite officers Hafez al-Assad and Salah Jadid) helped the Ba'ath Party seize power. In 1966 Alawite-affiliated military officers successfully rebelled and expelled the Ba’ath Party old guard followers of Greek Orthodox Christian Michel Aflaq and Sunni Muslim Salah ad-Din al-Bitar, calling Zaki al-Arsuzi the "Socrates" of the reconstituted Ba'ath Party.
    - wiki
     
  3. SyrianGirl1982

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    This is a lie. You do not understand the nature of the opposition movement on the golan heights. Israel cannot separate FSA from Al Qaeda / Al Nusra. Both those units fight on the same side in battles against Syrian Army. Without Al Nusra, the FSA would not be able to handle fight against Syrian Army

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    Al-Nusra Front captures Syrian Golan Heights crossing

    http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/al-nusra-front-captures-syrian-golan-heights-crossing-747933668

    Al Qaeda still controls the crossing. Israel has not fired a shot!
     
  4. Pro-Consul

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    This doesn't prove your contention.
    In fact it shows that France didn't install either Bashar or Hafez

    >>>MOD EDIT Flamebait Removed<<<
     
  5. stuntman

    stuntman Well-Known Member

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    I know that all of those organizations fight against Assad's regime. The thing is thta FSA is fighting to liberate Syria from Assad hands, and Al Nusra fights in the name of ISIS and Al Qaeda is cooperating wih Al Nusra:
    Source: http://syriahr.com/en/2014/11/isis-shuts-down-schools-in-eastern-syria/

    Those pictures just raindorcing what I wrote.

    Here you go about the source of one of the pictures:
    Source:http://www.timesofisrael.com/syrian-rebel-leader-thanks-pm-for-standing-by-wounded/

    Here what the article says:
    I know that Al Nusra already captured the Syian border in the Golan hights.

    Israel is keeping an eye on what is happening in Syria.
     
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    You don't even know the basic differences between different groups.

    Jabhat Al Nusra is not a group allied to Al Qaeda. Al Nusra is the "OFFICIAL BRANCH Of Al Qaeda in Syria". They have sworn allegiance to Ayman Zawahiri.
    ISIS is the group that split from Al Nusra and went a separate way.

    FSA does not fight independently from Al Nusra Front. They fight on the same side as Al Nusra, they live together, they go into battles together, they coordinate together for over 3 years.

    The news that Al Nusra kicked out FSA in Idlib is only a week old. Al Nusra accused FSA of corruption. 500 fighters from FSA deserted and joined Al Nusra. They were best friends for over 3 years. They are still friends in Aleppo, Deraa province, and Damascus.
     
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    ISIS want a caliphate as Al Nusra wants! but the difference between ISIS and Al Nusra is that ISIS want a caliphate and that's why this organization fights and Al Nusra want first to bring down Assad's regime and then to extablished caliphate in Syria! something that the FSA doesnt want! I mean the FSA want to free Syria from Assad's hands, that's it.
    Riad al-Assad said that all of the forces that attacks civilian targets are valid targets.

    Al Nusra and FSA fights to take down Assad's regime, right, but the difference between FSA and Al Nusra is that Al Nusra want to established caliphate. which FSA doesnt want it!
     
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    I have been saying since beginning, there is no such thing as FSA. It is just a general term created for the initial rebels. They are not "Free" nor are they an "Army". There is only one Syrian Army and that is the Syrian Arab Army.

    Free Syrian Army was never a united army, just a collection of hundreds of different groups with different ideologies. There are no seculars or liberals in FSA. There are no minorities in FSA, no Christians, no Alawites, no Shiites, No Kurds, No Druze. Why is that? Because their radical ideology is toxic to anyone is who not a religious Sunni.

    They were beheading Christians early in the conflict. There is a video of them attacking a Syrian Post Office, and throwing postal workers off the roofs. What was their crime you ask?? Working for Syrian government, thats it! If you are a mailman , a doctor in government hospital, a police man , a teacher, you are the enemy of FSA.

    These are not some nice guys who "Only want to get rid of Assad". They are on a path of global jihad. Many of these Al Nusra and ISIS were FSA guys in the beginning. There is a video of a top level FSA general praising ISIS and suicide bombings as heroic. Look how much territory the opposition controls, and then look where are the minorities. They have all been killed, or enslalved or driven away. I challenge you to present me one city or town where FSA controls and where Christians and Alawites live freely. No such town exists.

    They hate anything modern and different as well. Here is how they treat the Yellow Man of Aleppo. He was a celebrity in Aleppo because he would wear a Yellow Suit and pose with tourists. I remember seeing this peaceful man when I visited Aleppo a while ago.

    FSA captured him, humiliated him and killed him.


    [video=youtube;eEvZAzec7Dk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEvZAzec7Dk[/video]

    Here is an article how FSA beheaded a Christian and fed him to the dogs

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-fed-dogs-fears-grow-Islamist-atrocities.html

    Sister Agnes-Mariam de la Croix said: &#8216;His only crime was his brother criticised the rebels, accused them of acting like bandits, which is what they are.&#8217;
    There have been a growing number of accounts of atrocities carried out by rogue elements of the Syrian Free Army, which opposes dictator Bashar al-Assad and is recognised by Britain and the West as the legitimate leadership.

    Sister Agnes-Miriam, mother superior of the Monastery of St James the Mutilated, has condemned Britain and the west for supporting the rebels despite growing evidence of human rights abuses. Murder, kidnapping, rape and robbery are becoming commonplace, she says.
    &#8216;The free and democratic world is supporting extremists,&#8217; Sister Agnes-Miriam said from her sanctuary in Lebanon. &#8216;They want to impose Sharia Law and create an Islamic state in Syria.&#8217;


     
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    I knew that FSA are not so good, dont understand me wrong! I'm against all kind of extremists.
    The information you gave me about FSA showed me alot of stuff that I didnt know before, appriciate that!

    I hope that the civil war that's happeing in your country will stop soon and you and your family could live in a peacefull environment.
     
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    tl :dr
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    Did you even read it?
     
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    Let the muslim community in england have full control of our military and see what happens out of interest>>>>>>>>>>>>

    The 'Alawis' ascent took place over the course of half a century. In 1920 they were still the lowly minority just described; by 1970, they firmly ruled Syria

    According to Yusuf al-Hakim, a prominent Syrian politician, the 'Alawis adopted a pro-French attitude even before the French conquest of Damascus in July 1920. "The 'Alawis saw themselves in a state of grace after hell; accordingly, they were dedicated to the French mandate and did not send a delegation to the [General] Syrian Congress." So intensely did they oppose Prince Faysal, the Sunni Arab ruler of Syria in 1918-20 whom they suspected of wanting to dominate them, they launched a rebellion against his rule in 1919, using French arms. According to one well-informed observer, the 'Alawis cursed Islam and prayed "for the destruction of the Ottoman Empire." General Gouraud received a telegram in late 1919 from 73 'Alawi chiefs representing different tribes, who asked for "the establishment of an independent Nusayri union under our absolute protection."

    Two years later the 'Alawis rebelled against French rule under the leadership of Salih al-'Ali, an event that the Asad government proudly points to as an anti-imperialist credential. But a close look, suggests that the revolt had more to do with the fact that the Isma'ilis had sided with France and, given the state of Isma'ili-'Alawi relations, this led to hostilities between the 'Alawis and French. As soon as the French authorities granted autonomy to the 'Alawis, they won 'Alawi support.


    The French mandatory power issued Syrian stamps with an overlay marked "Lattaquie."
    Indeed, the establishment of French rule after World War I benefited the 'Alawis more than any other community. French efforts to cooperate with minority populations meant the 'Alawis gained political autonomy and escaped Sunni control; the state of Latakia was set up on 1 July 1922.

    Alawis helped maintain French rule. They turned out in large numbers when most Syrians boycotted the French-sponsored elections of January 1926. They provided a disproportionate number of soldiers to the government, forming about half the eight infantry battalions making up the Troupes Spéciales du Levant, serving as police, and supplying intelligence. As late as May 1945, the vast majority of Troupes Spéciales remained loyal to their French commanders. 'Alawis broke up Sunni demonstrations, shut down strikes, and quelled rebellions. 'Alawis publicly favored the continuation of French rule, fearing that France's departure would lead to a reassertion of Sunni control over them. Henri de Jouvenel, the French High Commissioner for Syria (1925-27), quoted a leading 'Alawi politician telling him: "We have succeeded in making more progress in three or four years than we had in three or four centuries. Leave us therefore in our present situation."

    Pro-French sentiment was expressed especially clearly in 1936, when the temporary incorporation of the 'Alawi state into Syria provoked wide protests. A March 1936 petition referred to union with the Sunnis as "slavery." On 11 June 1936, an 'Alawi leader wrote a letter to Prime Minister Léon Blum of France, reminding him of "the profoundness of the abyss that separates us from the [Sunni] Syrians," and asking him to "imagine the disastrous catastrophe that would follow" incorporation.

    Days later, six 'Alawi notables (including Sulayman Asad, said to be Hafiz al-Asad's grandfather) sent another letter to Blum in which they made several points: 'Alawis differ from Sunnis religiously and historically; 'Alawis refuse to be joined to Syria, for it is a Sunni state and Sunnis consider them unbelievers (kafirs); ending the mandate would expose the 'Alawis to mortal danger; "the spirit of religious feudalism" makes the country unfit for self-rule; therefore, France should secure the 'Alawis freedom and independence by staying in Syria.

    An 'Alawi note to the French government in July 1936 asked: "Are the French today ignorant that the Crusades would have succeeded if their fortresses had been in northeast Syria, in the Land of the Nusayris?.... We are the people most faithful to France."
     
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    Has nothing to do with Ba'ath Party taking power in Syria.
     
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    What?!

    And again this doesn't prove your contention. It doesn't even mention the coup of '63 which didn't involve the French.
     
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    Cognitive dissonance?
    You are entitled to your opinion. Surely a 16 year old could never educate such illustrious caricatures as yourselves. enjoy your little tete a tete
     
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    A Syrian Dentist Dr. Rou&#8217;aa Diab, was beheaded by ISIS last week. Her crime? Treating male patients
     
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    did anyone mention the chemical attacks yet on civilians?

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    its right there. read, its good for your development.
     
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    No it's not there at all.
    Maybe you should learn to read it's good for your development.
     
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    Same thing happened in Rwanda, the French have previous, they were there too
     
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    What does that even mean? Why do you continue to fail to make sense?
     
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    Do you know what happened in Rwandan govt between Tutsi and Hutu?
     
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    Yes I am aware but it had sod all to do with the French.
     
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    You are aware??
    What happened then?
     

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