Syrian Army vs Al Qaeda

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  1. Pro-Consul

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    Genocide against the Tutsi.
     
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    The role of France in the Rwandan Genocide of 1994 has been a source of controversy and debate both within and beyond France and Rwanda. France actively supported the Hutu-led government of Juvénal Habyarimana against the Tutsi-dominated Rwandan Patriotic Front, which since 1990 had been engaged in a conflict intended to restore the rights of Rwandan Tutsis both within Rwanda and exiled in neighboring countries following over four decades of anti-Tutsi violence. France provided arms and military training to Habyarimana's youth militias, the Interahamwe and Impuzamugambi, which were among the government's primary means of operationalizing the genocide following the assassination of Juvénal Habyarimana and Cyprien Ntaryamira on April 6, 1994.
     
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    who were a minority that were installed by european colonial powers, as is what happened in syria. the europeans stated that they thought tutsi looked like europeans ( assad and his family)
     
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    No. The genocide had nothing to do with France.
    They didn't support the killings. To be honest there's more credibility in blaming Egypt
     
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    Singular not plural and that was before independence.
    As I've already told you it had nothing to do with France. Syria was independent in 1944 and it was in 1963 that Hafez took power. Do you not see the chronological disparity here?
    That doesn't make even the remotest bit of sense.
     
  6. J0NAH

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    smh

    France provided arms and military training to Habyarimana's youth militias,

    its not strictly off topic, since the similarities between syria and rwanda are imo, striking. The roles of belgium and france in rwanda and syria respectively can only be used as a tool in education about how any supposed ethnic tension can and will be ignited by the colonialist in order to fulfill the agenda where as beforehand the society had achieved its own equilibrium without foreign intervention/colonialism.
     
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    its chronological yes but thats what happens over time in reality, the days, hours, minutes pass by.
     
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    Like I said you may as well blame Egypt as well.
    Yes it is. Almost every single topic you're involved in, you try and link either Africa or Colonialism.
    And it was French intervention that broke the Hutu militias
    Not even close.
    And what agenda is that?
    I'm sorry but this is complete BS

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    In other words you don't have a rebuttal because you know full well that you're talking complete nonsense.
     
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    egypt wasnt there, france was, on both occasions
    colonial impose puppet regimes, installs minority group, divide and conquer.
    take your pick, what is the purpose of colonialism if not to exploit the victim nation?
    you are entitled to your opinion however false it is. syria was controlled by regional factions and so was rwanda prior to european colonization.
    you are running out of insults arent you, better be careful now, youre not very polite, why is that?
     
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    Were do you think the abundance of machete's came from?
    And no France wasn't there to perpetuate the Rwanda genocide nor was it there during the ongoing Syrian civil war.
    To improve it for mutual benefit. Other times there were uninhabited lands
    Which it isn't. I suppose you still think that Haiti means hell however false that is.
    No. Syria was a part of the Ottoman Empire and it wasn't colonised and that's with an 's' btw; only American spelling makes use of 'z'
    More polite than you've been pal. And I haven't insulted you if anything you've done that to me by simply ignoring my query.
     
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    Still standing strong: Syrian Army with President Assad

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    Syrian soldiers are fighting for their country, not Assad.

    [video=youtube;3UJf1ZvKIGc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UJf1ZvKIGc&fmt=18[/video]
     
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    Syrian Army launching massive strikes using a new system acquired from Russia. The missiles landed in an area only 10 minutes away from me!

    [video=youtube;bHQiKGGCNwQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHQiKGGCNwQ[/video]
     
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    Looks like an Uragan MLRS. They built those in the 70's.
    If they're landing so close to you then how close are the rebels to Damascus and in what size?
     
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    It's a BM30 SMERCH --

    http://www.military-today.com/artillery/smerch.htm


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    The terrorists are in the suburbs around Damascus. Totally surrounded but still very dangerous. Area is very urbanized and difficult to fight in for Syrian Army.

    Here is a map.

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    Just seen this.....

    [video=youtube;0XPXnHm2m7M]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XPXnHm2m7M[/video]


     
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    Certainly looks it. Well stay safe.
    They seem dangerously close to the airport
     
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    They do not threaten the airport.

    It was much worse before. In 2012 and early 2013. They were literally right next to the airport.

    2013 map

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    Christmas celebrations in Syria today.

    People not scared of jihadis and going out to have a good time. This is not enough for the West. They all want the terrorists to win and then everyone to wear all black where one can forget about any personal or religious freedom.

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    Long live Syrian Army and Assad
     
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    You can thank Georgie boy for all of it. He opened the door and now someone else has to clean it up or die trying.
     
  22. ArmySoldier

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    And by Georgie, you mean Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, John Kerry, and Nancy Pelosi? The ones who wanted war during Bush's presidency, and even BEFORE? Heck, Pelosi was on the House intel committee and she was ready to bomb Iraq before Bush took the white house! Lol!

    "Fateful decisions will be made in the days and weeks ahead. At issue is nothing less than the fundamental question of whether or not we can keep the most lethal weapons known to mankind out of the hands of an unreconstructed tyrant and aggressor who is in the same league as the most brutal dictators of this century."
    Sen. Joe Biden (D, DE), Feb. 12, 1998

    "As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
    Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998.

    "I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force — if necessary — to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
    Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002.

    "In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members.... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
    Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct. 10, 2002.


    http://www.reasons-for-war-with-iraq.info/
     
  23. Marlowe

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    Soldier , beware of false information : Politicians speak with forked tongues , No evidence abt "weapons of mass destruction" was found in Iraq .


    Saddam 'had no link to al-Qaeda'



    There is no evidence of formal links between Iraqi ex-leader Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda leaders prior to the 2003 war, a US Senate report says.


    The finding is contained in a 2005 CIA report released by the Senate's Intelligence Committee on Friday.

    US President George W Bush has said that the presence of late al-Qaeda leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi in Iraq before the war was evidence of a link.

    Opposition Democrats are accusing the White House of deliberate deception.

    They say the revelation undermines the basis on which the US went to war in Iraq.

    The BBC's Justin Webb in Washington says that the US president has again and again tried to connect the war, which most Americans think was a mistake, with the so-called war on terror, which has the support of the nation.

    The report comes as Mr Bush makes a series of speeches on the "war on terror" to coincide with the fifth anniversary of the 11 September attacks.

    Requests rejected

    The report is the second part of the committee's analysis of pre-war intelligence. The first dealt with CIA failings in its assessment of Iraq's weapons programme.



    Saddam Hussein was distrustful of al-Qaeda and viewed Islamic extremists as a threat to his regime, refusing all requests from al-Qaeda to provide material or operational support,


    The committee concluded that the CIA had evidence of several instances of contacts between the Iraqi authorities and al-Qaeda throughout the 1990s but that these did not add up to a formal relationship.

    It added that the government "did not have a relationship, harbour or turn a blind eye toward Zarqawi and his associates".

    It said that Iraq and al-Qaeda were ideologically poles apart.

    "Saddam Hussein was distrustful of al-Qaeda and viewed Islamic extremists as a threat to his regime, refusing all requests from al-Qaeda to provide material or operational support," it said.

    The Senate report added that the Iraqi regime had repeatedly rejected al-Qaeda requests for meetings


    more here :

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/5328592.stm


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    You might also consider this :

    "We should understand , (as painful as it is true) that the US had a major hand in creating the new ISIS monster.

    The US funded the Mujahedeen against USSR in Afghanistan , which then morphed into al-Qaeda. Then the US destabilized Iraq from 1990 onward and Syria from the mid-2000s, in effect giving al-Qaeda and its affiliates a new stronghold. (

    As Assad moved closer to Iran, the US took up the effort to topple him. ISIS broke away from al-Qaeda, and then captured the weaponry that the US had supplied to the Iraqi army.


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    see :

    How The CIA Helped Create Osama Bin Laden


    During in the 1970s, when the Russia was the biggest threat to America and radical Islam was not as a concern of the USA’s, the USA began funding and training Islamic militants to fight our Russian enemies in Afghanistan.

    These militants, known as the mujahideen would rebel the Russians out of Afghanistan and later become the Taliban, Al Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood.

    One of the most prominent members of he mujahideen was a wealthy son of a Saudi Arabian businessman named Osama Bin Laden.

    National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski visited Afganistan in 1979 and met with Bin Laden and even took a picture with him. Brzezinski would tell the mujahideen


    " We know of their deep belief in God, and we are confident their struggle will succeed. That land over there is yours, you’ll go back to it one day because your fight will prevail, and you’ll have your homes and your mosques back again. Because your cause is right and God is on your side."

    The BBC, Canadian Broadcasting Corporation and the Russian journal Demokratizatsiya have all written that the CIA and U.S.A. funded and supported Bin Laden during the Afghan war.

    Former British Foreign secretary, Robin Cook said:


    Bin Laden was, though, a product of a monumental miscalculation by western security agencies. Throughout the 80s he was armed by the CIA and funded by the Saudis to wage jihad against the Russian occupation of Afghanistan.


    Several other authors, journalists and statesmen have all made the claim that Bin Laden was funded, armed and trained by the CIA to fight off the Russians.

    After Ronald Reagan was elected in 1981, U.S. funding of the mujahideen increased significantly and CIA Paramilitary Officers played a big role in training, arming and sometimes even leading mujahideen forces.

    The CIA trained the mujahideen in many of the tactics Al Qaeda is known for today, such as car bombs, assassinations and other acts that would be considered terrorism today


    More here :http://newsone.com/1205745/cia-osama-bin-laden-al-qaeda/





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    In case you forgot, or did what the liberal media is doing and tuned it out, it was recently declassified that we DID find WMDS in Iraq.

    http://www.worldtribune.com/2014/12...times-confirms-weapons-mass-destruction-iraq/

    No need to lie about it.
     
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    Your "dummy" President is IMO - the unfortunate inheritor of the crap left by his predecessors.


    I urge/ recommend that you read

    War Is A Racket


    By Major General Smedley Butler


    Who Makes The Profits? Who Pays The Bills? etc. etc

    http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html#c1



    cheers .
     

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