Tea party afraid Obamacare will be sucess

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  1. hudson1955

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    Why should they? The Democrats should be ashamed. Why don't the progressives and MSNBC report this?
     
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    Just because you **********s don't believe the truth doesn't mean any of that is incorrect. Just send an email to those who wrote those testimonials for further proof if you still want to believe the Fo卐 networks liars and traitors.
     
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    The health insurance industry has one of the lowest profit margins, around 3% so there is no room to force insurance prices down. They have risen with the cost of health care. If Obama wants them to go out of business to push nationalized health care then that would be the way to do it. Then we can all spend our time in waiting rooms for substandard health care.

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    Nothing like buying the propaganda, hook, line, and sinker.
     
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    I will rely on personal experience, as well as those that I personally know that have been affected. Fox News is more truthful than CNN or MSLSD.
     
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    Fo卐 networks liars and traitors as well as those delusionals who support it are gonna hate this one:


    Obamacare Enrollments Surpass 1 Million

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/11/obamacare-enrollment_n_4421797.html



    More than two months after Obamacare's ugly debut, the number of Americans using the system is starting to grow: Nearly 1.2 million people are on track to have health coverage in place next year from the law's health insurance exchanges, the Department of Health and Human Services announced Wednesday.

    From Oct. 1 through Nov. 30, almost 365,000 people enrolled into private health insurance via the federal and state marketplaces and more than 803,000 were deemed eligible for Medicaid or the Children's Health Insurance Program, according to the department.

    The federally run exchanges in more than 30 states accounted for 137,000 of the enrollments in private coverage, and the remaining states signed up 227,000. About 1.9 million more people had been determined eligible for coverage through the marketplaces, but hadn't yet chosen a health plan. The new data don't include an apparent flurry of enrollments in the early days of December.

    HealthCare.gov, the federal portal to health coverage in more than 30 states, still has problems, but appears to doing what it's supposed to do: enabling consumers to do shop and sign up for health benefits for next year.

    Eric Rawlings, 42, of Decatur, Ga., breezed through HealthCare.gov in about 10 minutes to enroll in a private health plan for himself and his infant daughter in late November, he told The Huffington Post.

    "Everybody talks about how horrible this website is and all the glitches and stuff, but I tell you, it was the best experience I ever had shopping for insurance," said Rawlings, who owns an architectural design firm. Rawlings chose the highest level of coverage, a Platinum plan that includes dental benefits, for $550 a month, or about $50 more than he pays for a medical-only policy for just himself this year. He earns too much to qualify for tax credits to reduce his premiums.

    Rawlings has been buying his own health insurance since starting his own business more than a decade ago and didn't miss having to disclose his medical history and wait weeks for an approval -- or rejection. Nor did he yearn for paying higher rates because of a pre-existing condition he has, he said. "I have just been waiting for the Affordable Care Act to kick in," he said.

    Despite a gradual accumulation of stories like this, President Barack Obama has a long way to go to achieve the targeted 7 million private health insurance and 9 million Medicaid sign-ups anticipated for the first year of the program. The open enrollment period for 2014 health benefits runs until March 31. The Obama administration originally sought to enroll 800,000 people by the end of November.

    "We have every reason to believe that interest will continue to grow and enrollment numbers will continue to rise," Michael Hash, the director of the Office of Health Reform at the Department of Health and Human Services, said during a conference call with reporters Tuesday. "We think we're on track and we will reach the total that we thought." The bulk of those sign-ups will come near the end of the six-month enrollment period, he said.

    Significant challenges remain if that prediction is to come true. HealthCare.gov and exchange websites in states like Oregon and Maryland continue to suffer performance issues, despite improvements. Health insurance companies and states report receiving incomplete, inaccurate or non-existent enrollment files about would-be enrollees. And consumers, including those whose current policies were canceled because they don't meet Affordable Care Act standards, have less than two weeks left to sign up for coverage that will be in place on Jan. 1.

    Still, Obamacare enrollment is quickening nationwide as the Dec. 23 deadline approaches for those who want coverage in place on Jan. 1. After weeks of feverish efforts to repair the broken federal website, the Obama administration declared Dec. 1 that it would be functional for the "vast majority" of users. In the first three days of this month, 56,000 individuals reportedly signed up via the federal system.

    "We invite those Americans whose experience with HealthCare.gov have been frustrating to them so far to come back and try again. The HealthCare.gov website is night and day from where it was on Oct. 1," Hash said.

    In contrast to November and December, national enrollment into private insurance in October was just 106,000 -- only 27,000 of which came from the federal system -- and 396,000 were determined eligible for Medicaid or the Children's Health Insurance Program. The report issued Wednesday includes enrollments for both October and November and reflects a nearly fourfold increase in enrollments via the federal exchanges in the second month compared with the first.





    Obamacare success! Right wing traitors cry, TRUE Patriots rejoice.
     
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    Pretty poor reporting. Doesn't show anywhere that 80% of those signing up are being pushed into Medicaid. You can also pretty much bet that any number coming out of this WH is not true.
     
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    Agree. Glad someone in the field sees my point. This is why I was for Regulation of Health Insurance Companies which were the only business I am aware of that was not covered under the Sherman Act and other laws regarding price fixing. Doctors can't even discuss between themselves the fees they charge as it is against the law and they can be prosecuted. They are basically "forced" to sign on with these major health insurance and accept the low reimbursements provided for in the contract because, l. they can't admit patients to hospitals if they are not on certain insurance plans; and, "most importantly", they must be providers under these plans in order for patients covered by these companies to seek care without having to pay higher co-pay and out of pocket for care termed "out of network". This is especially a huge issue when they practice in smaller cities where most are employed by a handful of employers. As far as Medicaid reimbursements, not worth seeing or treating these patients as it costs more to provide the care than you are reimbursed(other than possibly extensive surgery, which you likely will be paid more than cost but not even 1/4 of what your services are worth.

    As I said previously, patients are more willing to pay a plumber, electrician on weekends at extremely high cost than pay the doctor or surgeon to provide care that either saves or betters their lives; in many cases.

    Perhaps they like Obama believe doctors are just in it for the money and poised to rip people off. After nearly 40 years in the field, working at V.A. and Private Hospitals, consulting for Nursing Homes, Teaching at Technical Schools and managing private offices; I am telling you that is simply not the norm. They work 10-12 hour days. Employee millions of employees. Rent commercial office space, buy equipment. Pay tons of money complying with the ever increasing regulations, the latest EHR. They run like small businesses, most as sole-proprietors and paying "ordinary individual income taxes". The cost of attending Medical Schools continues to rise and upon completing length residency they up to $100,000.00 in student loans depending on their specialty. Ever hired an attorney, they charge by the minute in many cases. Don't see the Federal Government regulating their fees. Or for that matter any other PROFESSIONAL.

    PPACA has allowed insurance companies participating in the exchanges to basically, "throw providers/hospitals" out of their plans. Most likely because they are only including hospitals, clinics and providers that may charge lower costs on average. I recently visited a specialist listed as in network on my insurance. The waiting room was dingy as were the chairs that showed an actual imprint of people who previously sat in the chairs. The treatment areas were carpet(very unsanitary) and the smell of mold and mildew and its presence began to make my eyes water. I had to leave. His fees were lower than most, but I would rather pay more to be treated in a clean environment. I believe the appearance and age of equipment and sanitary treatment conditions are more important than paying a few more dollars.
     
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    Who will it destroy healthcare for? Millions more Americans will get affordable healthcare after Obamacare is implemented. That's kinda the purpose.

    Why aren't your premiums tripling? That's the usual horror story. :roll:

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    That's pretty good for a website that "doesn't work". "Obama lied!' as they say.

    Their scare tactics obviously failed. Obamacare is successful because people demanded it.
     
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    The 7.2% net margin on $730.9 billion in net revenue, tallied in the 2012 AHA Hospital Statistics guide released last week, was the highest in decades.

    http://www.modernhealthcare.com/article/20120109/MAGAZINE/301099961#
     
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    Your experience at that low cost treatment center is surprising since most facilities cooperate with OSHA with sanitary conditions. However, I agree with all of your points in your op. Years ago when HMO's became popular, I had told many physicians at that time that someday insurance companies were going to dictate how they practiced medicine. They did not take me seriously and we are now experiencing it.

    If physicians would get together and go cash basis at the rates they are getting reimbursed for office visits from the insurance companies, they would be better off since it would reduce administrative cost. The only drawback is they must be contracted with certain companies for hospital staff previleges.l
     
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    The fact that you support the health insurance companies makes you absolutely clueless on how bad you are being screwed by them. BC/BS has a monopoly and in many states they are the only option on the exchange so of course your friend that works for them is going to think that the mandate is great for business.

    People might not be so angry over this mandate if they had lowered the deductibles so healthcare would be affordable to receive. The fact they raised them instead shows how greedy they are and it will get to a point in the future when people realize that having insurance is worthless to them. Private practice cannot stay in business very long if they have high patient receivable balances and lower accounts receivables waiting on insurance to pay.

    It is the physicians and the patients that are getting screwed the worst out of this law when they should be the ones benefiting from it.
     
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    Even the right wing Fo卐 network is now calling it ACA. It has decided to drop "Obamacare" because it now knows that system is working.
     
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    Big part of it. Check out medical device makers. Their margins are even higher.
     
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    Neither hospital margins or medical device margins mean a thing for health insurance company margins.
     
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    My bad, I had though you were talking about health care.
     
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    My bad, I meant health care insurance.
     
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    Agree with all you said but one thing is they legally can't get together when it comes to their charges. And, recent doctors/surgeons passing their State Boards will always take the place of those physicians and surgeons that pull out of plans as they need those patients to start their practice and earn a living. I remember when my husband and I set up his first practice location we traveled up to 50 miles to see Nursing Home Patients covered by Medicare and or Medicaid. While the reimbursement for the services/treatment he provided were paid at 0%-80% per patient, the income helped us pay the bills while he built his practice.

    There will always be young, inexperienced physicians/surgeons willing to accept sub-standard payment for their services as a means of pay the bills.

    The AMA has often done their members a huge dis-service by playing politics instead of doing what was best for their members and often what the majority of the their members wanted them to do. This was the case when the AMA supported Obamacare without the backing of the majority of its members. And, the Dems claimed that the AMA represented a much higher percentage of physicians than they actually do. In fact, they don't represent many groups such as Podiatric Surgeons, Chiropractors and many other doctors and surgeons.
     
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    Oh the lies we tell. What does on track mean exactly?

    And why are most pushed onto Medicaid?

    Gives this regime's steady lies about practically everything, why would anyone believe anything not confirmed by at least two sources with access to the raw numbers?
    I love your self description above. Liar and delusional. Very catchy.
     
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    Its not their charges that they should be comparing, its the fee schedules of their participating contracts with insurance companies. This is one area where people need to fight back with the insurance companies considering they think that the fee schedules are a "trade secret." The only reason why they want them to be a secret is due to the fact if people realized how little they do pay for health services, they would soon realize how much they are being ripped off.
     
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    Fortune 500 companies have been subsidized by taxpayers for DECADES. No objection from right wingers.

    Israel's health coverage has been subsidized by taxpayers for DECADES. Again, no objection from right wingers.



    Now, poor Americans (including many who are veterans and public servants) are subsidized. Hostile objection from right wingers. This is total hypocrisy of the worse kind.
     
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    Explain.

    Explain.

    It is another unconstitutional usurpation of power by the federal government. This has to be stopped. There is no Constitutional basis for such a monstrous act.
    In your opinion is everybody who has read, understood, and agreed to the concept that governments should be constrained by written constitutions "right wingers"?
     
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    are you getting paid for advertising?
    "Libs declare victory after one person visits the ACA website" .....details next month
    you have no idea what the measure of success is unless you define it by how much destruction it causes.
     
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