Terror - do we need to rethink ourselves?

The news are coming in, and nothing changes, but more terror:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-14/paris-attacks-several-dead-in-shooting-and-explosions/6940722

Do we need to rethink our involvement all over the world?
France was one of the first western nations which due to its former colonies had always a significant number of Muslims, and it went peaceful for a long time.
So how come France cops such a lot recently?

After WW2 we went to so many wars, has one ever changed something for the better? Aren't we fooling ourselves?
What could the future role for Australia be? What are your thoughts?
Regards

 

We need to rethink western retreat from colonial power. We should have never took our boot of their throats.

 

This is an attack on all humanity...the worse since 9/11....and it is encouraged by verses from the Koran.
And our Prime Minister tells us that we are taking 12000 refugees from Syria...
How many of them are potentially terrorists....
But the UN tells us to take the refugees...our Government dictates to us that we do so...
and then the Australian public have to house them....at our expense...
Isnt it time we had a referendum on issues of this nature.....
If its considered we have a referendum on same sex marriage...why not a referendum
on whether we take refugees or not.......
This could well be the last straw that broke the camels back....

 

Well cats I think you made a good point, which was then followed by two comments who apparently never read all your post. You said we need to rethink, so the next two posts do exactly the opposite.

You have made a great point in that for hundreds and hundreds of years Muslims have lived among us, even here in Australia, wow we even call one of out iconic trains the Ghan , named after the Afghanistan men who built the line.

This terrorism has nothing to do with Islam, it is a group of power hungry criminals who use Islam as a means to capture believers by perverting the Koran to mean what they want it to mean. If it was a group of crazed fundamentalist Christians that were terrorizing the world would we want Christianity banned?

We are PLAYING right into their hands by debasing Islam because of the terrorists, it plays right into what they want, our bigotry is what is creating home grown terrorists, the actual terrorists just use our bigotry as a weapon against us. Don't become another home grown terrorist supporter.

 

Don't care what country authorised the killing of my child, many in your country shall pay the price!

Syrians are no lesser people than Australians.

 

Those are the type of comments our government wants to hear, because those are comments which will play into their hands.
Meaning, more wars on foreign soils, more hate against all Muslim and the creation of more fear!!!!
These type of comments and the mind behind will see more attacks on ordinary Muslim living in my country and elsewhere, attacks against people who haven't done anything wrong.

Isn't that what we do for quite some time? Don't you think we would be better off thinking about alternatives? It hasn't worked out, has it?
Regards

 

It's not about involvement overseas, that is just your fear instinct making you focus on reasons to retreat and hide - its not representative of the actual truth beyond that gut reaction.

The only local solution might be acknowledge islam is a political movement with a religious element, instead of a religious movement with a political element.

Once we wake up to the fact that their religion is just the laws of that political movement, and ban it's public practise or teaching because of its integral community segment which abuses its participation in Western societies - the better for everyone who just wants peace and freedom. Like how the Nazi party is banned in Europe.

It won't stop attacks, nothing will, but it will reduce the activism and cultural brainwashing into smaller channels which can have more focus.

That, or the Islamic community needs to discard the political elements of its religion and create a modern version of the Quran, and Quranic New Testament....

 

France has not declared war on Syria, it and others commit terrorist attacks on a grand scale!

 

no.

we should have never pushed the Ottomans further than Istanbul.

we should have let them continue to rule the Middle East.

 

Yes.

These are probably local nuts radicalized by the internet, but in the end, France is more reachable than the US, Australia, etc. by organized groups because of the oceans.

Though technically not a war, Yugoslavia probably worked for the better. It stopped the genocide and contained the fighting.

The same as for the US--minimal unless a friendly government itself is in danger. These should be treated as domestic organized crime events.

 

Population France 64,982,894

Population Australia 23,958,400

Population Syria 23,196,338

France and Australia are reducing the Syrian population so the Syrians are returning the favour.

Australia comes next!

 

Interesting to see the Australians defending muslims.
Perhaps they should read the hundreds of posts on overseas threads.....
990 on one thread....In Australia.....10....(we are so naive)......
I dont think many support their defense.....

 

Bah went the goats, bah went the sheep, now move along went the Australian herding both into the abattoirs.

 

Arent you a bit of a hypocrite....tell your story to the family of Curtis Cheng...and all the people...innocent people killed in France....

 

No-one wants to be over there in that sand pit, they bring onto themselves. Palestine broke the Ottoman/Turk agreement and kept the NAZI fight going on to this day, and all other western presence in the ME is either as a result of the Cold War effort to stop Soviet Communism's expansion or stabilizing security in the region which was threatening western interest. The later is not a bad thing, you cannot use that as an catchall excuse, because the interest are not only western they are also local. The fact is there is a persistent integral component of muslim societies which is 'intent' on expanding islam including by the use of force - to deny it is ignorant, and to ignore it foolish. The question is, if the muslim community does not do something to control that fundamental element, then the west has to, and the muslim community need to fall in line. Now they could instead be active and organized with dealing with it themselves, but they have shown no real interest and indeed mostly blame the west - which is basically trying to justify it. You do realize your also attempting to justify the terrorism m2?

 

Wait? Why should Australia be bothered?

 

Is that the best you can do...

 

Yes. I'm at my best.

 

That tunnel you look down must be so narrow. I can sum up all you said in one word. Oil, oh I agree there are a few fringe benefits and a few scraps for the locals but oil is the key. Keeping the capitalist machine running, making crap to keep us blind from the truth.

 

PM Turnbull 'When the French people left the stadium. 'They sang their national anthem proudly' "and that is how all Australian citizen should respond when their turn comes"

Collateral casualties, women and children mostly, occur in a time of war.

So negating the crime of foreign murder.

The Liberal party is yet to declare war. Julie Bishop so far has only dribbled pigs arse morality in the name of money!

The national terror alert level is at high - indicating a terrorist attack is likely (almost certain) - indicating the Liberal Party cant save us!

Loved ones retribution is (almost certain) so be alert says PM Malcolm!

 

So you've been told, but you've no point. Stop pretending all the oil is owned by the west and used by the west. That is the lie at the crux of that delusion about blaming the west for islamic fundamentalism - it doesn't explain most of it, so why bother using it in another conspiracy. That's 2 conspiracys within a day from you and m2. The Mid East nations in the oil fields are invested in the oil industry more then anyone else.

 

This post is pure fiction. Turnbull never said that. It's fiction.

 

Do you know any Muslim at all?
I know a few, and they are nice people. Not different to you and me, but then I don't know extremists.
And those extremists are killing Muslims as well, which they aren't allowed to by the definition of their religion.
What do you expect them to do, those peaceful ones living in Perth or Sydney or Paris or New York?
Choose a different religion, because of some idiots?
Don't you think that a Muslim who lost a loved one isn't interested in a solution for the better?
Your lines almost read that all Muslims are okay with what happened....
Regards

 

Please please please Mr knows everything, show me where I said that the mid east nations didn't. But what has that to do with what I said. Nothing as usual.

 

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You wish!