Terror - do we need to rethink ourselves?

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  1. Independant thinker

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    Because everyone keeps yapping and yapping about this.
     
  2. m2catter

    m2catter Well-Known Member

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    I most certainly can't take you for serious anymore, no land grab by the Jews. Mate, you lost it.....
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    That argument was struct down at the Nazi trials in Nuremburg. The court was emphatic that nations or states were intangible and so could not commit a crime, only individuals could commit crimes. Annd we are NOT culpable for the actions of our ancestors or the actions of other people.

    Excuse me, terrorism has been condoned and practiced by numerous middle easterns states and who said the majority of muslims are moderate and who said the majority do not condone or at least support muslim extremists?
     
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    OK thanks for that...
     
  5. DaS Energy

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    NO! They already exist in Syria and now in Iraq, problem is in Iraq the caliphate (the territory over which a caliph's rule extends, or the time for which it lasts) takes in an oil well, much to USA displeasure.
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    The USA unable to bomb the caliphate out of Iraq so switched to bombing Syria.
     
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    You really are out of your depth here aren't you??? It is obvious you have not got the slightest idea of what the caliphate is...
     
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    You see the land was the property of the Commonwealth, pure and simple - it was not the Palestinians. You've been fed so much propaganda for so long you think your biased view on history has some solid footing in reality - when it doesn't. The history prior to Commonwealth possession of the area in question is irrelevant, because its changed hands so often and history can only be relevant so far without exceeding its practical impact on reality. The Commonwealth got it from the Ottoman Empire, who'd owned it previously... not any 'Palestinian' nation. So that settles your delusion about Palestinian land... unless you have anything to add?

    The next point is the Commonwealth (the then owner of the lands) decides to partition the sparsely populated lands so two communities with historical roots there could create their own nations. And they've been fighting ever since because one side wanted the other gone - it was the Palestinians who are the root cause of this problem and hence why they continue it. The 'land stealing Israel' is just a distraction used by Palestinian's to shift blame for the violence to hide the main purpose of Palestinian 'resistence' - to destroy Israel. Which is inevitable given enough decades of time with a developing country and since its borders are so messed up from all the messed up interim solutions to the problem, its no wonder one side is outgrowing the other - the border is an illusion by the Palestinians and the only restrictions that stop them from living in working in Israel itself is the security ones they've bought on themselves.

    Actually, if you knew more about history you'd realize that Israel has actually gifted land it won during war in exchange for peace (which the Palestinians never upheld). The Arab nations and groups in that region have always wanted the destruction of Israel, and constantly started wars to that end during the 20th century..... and even during its recent political effort to mobilize misguided sympathy in the West it still could not resist supporting violence against Israel. I am wondering though, is there any islamic political cause you don't follow and spread propaganda about?
     
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    You wish!
     
  9. mister magoo

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    Just a question out of left field.....
    In the Koran, Surah 8 is titled "al-Anfal" which means "The Spoils of War". Why does the holy book of the "religion of peace" have an entire chapter describing the spoils of war?
     
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    Fair question, anyone??!!

    ...and what sort of God is going to "eliminate the disbelievers".

    It's just a political manifesto written as a religion so people can monotheistic about the 'state' itself... a sick version of religious politics. Using Old Testament language to try and appeal authoritative for its time. Basically what Islam needs is a New Testament of its own, to bring it up to the modern world and improve its relation with the real Allahdeda... notably becoming secular most importantly.
     
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    No, it is out there for all the world to see. I do not need to hope for anything...
     
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    You Wish!
     
  13. axialturban

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    MIP {most improved player} award, three words in a proper sentence is a step up for a lot of what you usually post, no wonder you say the same thing over and over.
     
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    Two!

    You wish!
     
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    I thought you might like to try a goal in life, is all.
     
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    No, I don't...
     
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    Aborigines far from blame all white people, just the ignorantly bad, vexatious ones. Many were embarrassingly uncomfortable with random people wanting to say sorry. They needed recognition from the governing body who instigated policies and laws. AM once again attempts to impress upon us his superficial claptrap.
     
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    Interesting points actually. These are 2 of the strongholds and makes sense. Do you have any links?
     
  21. DaS Energy

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    Searching Syrian Caliphates (areas controlled by a Caliphate) provides a number of links.
     
  22. axialturban

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    Yea the Islamic State was running the refineries and smuggling the product into Turkey, turning a profit for the IS. If the US was not bombing infrastructure, then it was probably because its worth more intact at that point in time... it does not automatically mean they are making money of it LOL. Though certainly share your research if you have something DaS?
     
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    "PM Turnbull has counselled in the strongest possible terms against the simplistic resort to foreign invasion, instead pushing for the continuance of bombing women and children to avert any death of an Australian soldier but promoting a civilian massacre!"

    "Mr Turnbull's position is in lock-step with the Barack Obama White House, which is widely criticised within America"
     
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    There are so many twist and turns, hands tied behind back, caught between a rock and a hard place things going on here by the sounds of things. I'd be a little presumptuous to arm chair commentate suggestions of what should be done over such a serious and complex matter.

    Anyway, it sounds as though there is a very careful approach aimed at ensuring major assets remain intact. If ISIS are claiming their own caliphate and have control over these assets, the situation sounds concerning for the Syrian people.

    Bashar al-Assad certainly has the very public support of the Syrian national soccer/football team who also were taken aback that the Syrian people were overlooked as part of any victims of terrorism memorial at national soccer/football events. It suggests the Syrian people are defiant against these rebels loonies attempting to establish a caliphate.
     
  25. m2catter

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    Ups,
    that slipped my mind, no honestly didn't know that. So you reckon our Queen was there before Palestinians and Jews, and can still deal the way she wants to?
    Hmmm, guess that makes me look like an idiot?
    So when Jews knock at the front door and armed personal drives those fukked up Muslims out (whom might end up as refugees in your front yard or in Paris or trying to land a plane in a skyscraper) that might be okay then, with the blessing of our great Commonwealth anyway.....
    Regards
     

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