Texas 6-week abortion ban takes effect after Supreme Court inaction

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  1. Joe knows

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    Show me one baby that doesn’t need a mother’s milk to survive. They are still dependent. You all are advocating for murder plane and simple.

    and yes, if my fathers life depended on me being medically attached to him for a given amount of time I would have no issue with that at all.
     
  2. 9royhobbs

    9royhobbs Well-Known Member

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    So your interest is the morality of a law that has been found to moral for over 50 years now and the abolishment of the right that law gives is immoral. What case/argument do you think you could make that hasn't been made.
     
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    Your "science" is off along with your umm "math" as sex does not have a 100% pregnancy rate which is the only way your "math" would work.
     
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    9royhobbs Well-Known Member

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    Give me pause, not in the least and it is YOU that is using language to make an emotional argument to try to make your point and make you feel better.
     
  5. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    Oh so the amount of time it has been legal makes it right? So you must be pro slavery since it was found to be moral for much longer. Centuries in fact.

    See the failing in legalistic arguments yet?
    Law changed in Texas. Seems your benchmark for morality has changed. Being that it isn't seen as moral there now.

    Arguing that the law is wrong would undermine your position.
     
  6. 9royhobbs

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    You never have a baby handy when you need one.
    A baby doesn't need it's mothers milk. It may need milk but like all people, it needs nourishment to survive.
     
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    Yeah. People don't have sex primarily to have children. Anyone saying so is a stupid liar. More over, the consequence of having children from sex impacts all of society, not just the parents having the unwanted child. And lastly, it's still a medical condition being pregnant. And since a woman has to be physically dependent to keep the fetus alive for roughly 21 weeks, it's entirely her choice to not to do that. Just like it would be your choice to not be forced to have anything made physically dependent upon you by the government.
     
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    I'm sure you're not as it nullifies your argument.


    Since when do emotions not matter? Human beings are emotional beings, more so than logical or rational ones. It's emotional to say that all life is precious. It's emotional to say that stopping a heartbeat matters. This entire debate is all emotional. So what? It's all still valid.
     
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    I never said the reason why people have sex i made a simple statement which you threw **** at me as an attempt to be as angry as you are.. Not going to happen.
     
  10. Polydectes

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    Tell yourself whatever you need to.

    You feel the need to language police when I call a baby a baby. That's because you don't want to think of it that way.
    I'm not the one language policing you about calling it a fetus. That's all you.

    I actually use the word fetus interchangeably with unborn baby. The word fetus means unborn baby.

    Say the word if it makes you feel better about killing it I'm not going to take him to consideration your sensitivities
     
  11. Joe knows

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    Nourishment it can not get on its own meaning it’s still parasitic in nature. You’re argument does nothing to exempt the murder of children. People who use this argument are just trying to find an excuse for the act of murder
     
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    Again, the conversation isn't about legal standing, it's about legal standards. I can see how you were confused though....Fun stuff about condescending and all. I laughed. Thanks,.
     
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    Formula...? Maybe you've heard of it???

    Murder is the taking of another person's life. A cluster of cells is not a person. End of argument. If that's the case, then you have a lot of other problems you haven't even thought about. All those right wing pregnant women not getting life saving vaccines? Let's arrest them and force the vaccine on them. It's to ensure they don't murder their child. So you good with that?

    Didn't say your father...I mean a random stranger. Maybe even a murder in prison! After all, you claim all life is precious to you, right?
     
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    Slavery has never been thought of as moral.
    Yes, the law changed and yet abortion is still legal......just made harder to get.
     
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    No. What you just said is even worse. What it means is your daughter is raped. She takes an emergency contraceptive...and then you all have to wait about 4 weeks AT BEST to know if she's pregnant with her rapist's baby. And at that point. Then you have maybe a couple days to get an appointment? It's not about math, it's about people you don't care about.
     
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    I'm not angry at all. This doesn't impact me or where I live one bit. You are right, you made a simple statement. I then showed how simple it was and plainly ineffective it was at making your case. I think you might be a bit angry about that.
     
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    Keep slinging **** when your "math" is called out.
     
  18. Joe knows

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    Let me know when you see a baby walk into a store and buy it.
     
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    The whole thing sounds insane because the authors are the same...

    At least the Biden administration is fighting it.... I wish the Texas clinics were...

    I don't live in Texas (thank you God), but I would fight this all day long...

    P.S. If the current SCOTUS doesn't fix this, guess who's going to be expanded??
     
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    No, I'm just waiting for a cogent response. If you don't have or want to offer one, then let's just call it.
     
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    Well the law is what it is. You can't argue with it so I haven't made any arguments against it for it to nullify.


    Emotional pleading is a logical fallacy. I didn't say emotions didn't matter but that logical fallacies are an artifact of flawed logic.
    Emotional pleading isn't.

    Pointing out that stopping a heart beat is extinguishing a life isn't emotional pleading is factual. If it doesn't matter because it isn't a person yet you should just say that.

    Stating that I find human live to have value is an opinion not emotional pleading.

    Strawmanning the point is also poor logic.
     
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    I can walk into a store and buy it for plenty of babies. So can a hospital. So can a foster parent. So can you...In other words, SOCIETY can take care of a baby at that point. I never said the baby had to be self sufficient. That's a ridiculous goal post move that not even the Houston Texans would accept.
     
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    It’s still dependent on the mother or someone. The fact it’s dependent doesn’t diminish its existence to the justification of murder.
     
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    I hope this goes to the Supreme Court and they correctly overturn Roe Vs. Wade
     
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