Texas attorney general petitions state supreme court after woman who sued the state was granted perm

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  1. Bowerbird

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    Wow! So it is Okay to lose both?
     
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    Well done in being so uninformed about this particular woman’s predicament…

    Would it change your view to know that she very much wanted a baby from this pregnancy…?

    No, I thought not…
     
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    …and save the life if the mother. That, if you had read the OP is the real story here. The foetus is non viable and this is causing issues with the pregnancy itself
     
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    I'm not against medically necessary abortion but what I have a problem with is abortion of convenience.

    Preventing pregnancy when it is unwanted is no great mystery
     
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    Cases like this straddle the borderline of "medical necessity".
     
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  6. Bowerbird

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    If you had read the OP (which it seems most of the so called “pro-lifers did not) you will see this was a wanted pregnancy
     
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    And so who decides? Some politician or the woman herself?
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Just because a situation is questionable doesn't automatically mean the decision should be handed over to the woman unreservedly.

    Yes, that may be part of an argument for why the woman should have choice, but it's not always a full-on justification on its own; it's not an imbreachable argument.
     
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    Sorry I missed your medical qualifications

    The foetus has trisomy 18
    https://www.texastribune.org/2023/12/07/texas-emergency-abortion-lawsuit/

    Almost invariably fatal within days
     
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    Well, the woman certainly doesn't have them.
     
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    Why not? If you had a life threatening condition would you be happy if someone other than you were to make the decision as to what treatment you should have?
     
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    That's not entirely accurate. A small number can go on to live reasonably normal lives.

    I guess if a child is probably going to die, we should accelerate the timeline? Make 100% sure it happens?
     
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    But her doctor does - which surely makes them more qualified than you or Ken Paxton
     
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    Do you object to an bioethics panel of doctors?
    That's usually what they do in situations like this.

    How about get some opinions independent experts?

    I'm sure you're totally fine with the woman shopping around through a hundred doctors until she finds the one that she knows will agree with what she wants.

    You could get a doctor to agree to anything that way.
     
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    And how do those mean words relate to this poor woman’s predicament…??
     
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    Do they? I worked at a Catholic hospital and even they did not do this
     
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    No, but she does have her own body over which SHE makes decisions…!
     
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    Yes, "the poor woman", let's only think about her...
     
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    I'm aware of what the op says but if I diverge just a little bit from it still discussing abortion that's just something you're going to have to learn to deal with
     
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    In this case she's making a decision based on a factor that has nothing directly to do with her body.

    Decision over her body is just being used as an excuse to terminate an unborn baby because it has a medical disorder.
     
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    Sorry but how do you figure that? She has had multiple impacts already - read the OP
     
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    Why not? This is a case of one or both
     
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    Sorry, that appears to be true, but those medical reasons do appear to be rather borderline and, in my opinion, a little bit exaggerated by the article.

    Cox, 31, has been to three different emergency rooms in the last month due to severe cramping and unidentifiable fluid leaks, according to her suit. She has had two prior caesarean surgeries – C-sections – and, the suit said, “continuing the pregnancy puts her at high risk for severe complications threatening her life and future fertility, including uterine rupture and hysterectomy.”
    These aren't the type of medical conditions that would lead any woman to terminate a pregnancy where the baby was normal.


    Bowerbird, are you okay euthanizing newborn babies who have this condition too?

    20 weeks gestation is really far along.
     
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    90% of them die before turning 1.

    https://www.health.state.mn.us/diseases/cy/trisomy18.html
     
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    But of the 10% who do survive to the one year mark, what percentage of them go on to live much longer?

    A graph here:
    survival-t13-and-18.png (1946×685) (wordpress.com)

    Looks like once they make it to a year and a half, their odds of surviving another 10 or 15 years are over 85%.
     
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