The American people had enough of far-left policies being shoved down their throats

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  1. Doofenshmirtz

    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Poverty, pollution, low ranking education, poor road conditions, and income inequality is what liberals are feeding others. Limousine liberals always tell the poor how great the food is since they are not the ones eating the schitt they serve.
     
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    Didn't think you would comment on what they say they want to do. What I have said is the truth. Watch this and tell me it isn't true, then go on the internet and look it up your self. You'll also see what Pelosi and CNN said about MS-13. I think he said 44 Democrats have already signed on to this bill.

    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tuc...under-bill-aoc-and-other-house-democrats-back

    I don't think I have to look up how Biden all but invited all these illegals here. In less than a year we already have over a million who crossed the border. He said we could easily take in two million a year. We already take in around a million a year legally. Biden's job is to protect our country. Allowing drug dealers, child trafficker, terrorist and anyone else that can make it across all but admitting free access is far from doing his job. Protecting illegal criminals with sanctuary is also wrong, along with bailing out rioters almost as fast as they are caught, I know you know the Left has called for the elimination of ICE, along with cutting funds for police, many even calling for the elimination of their police force it's self.

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    I think I've made my point, the Democrats have called for everything I stated, yet you don't want to comment on any of them.
     
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    Yeah, I think the voters her in Virginia made that pretty clear.
     
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    Why is it inevitable? Outside of the native Americans, Europen Whites have always made up the largest share of the population. For decades we allowed people to come in from all corners of the earth given everyone an equal chance at the American dream. Now we want to cut that and flood our Southern border? I would bet 85 percent of South and Central America is made up of Hispanics. Are we now wanting them to be the majority in all of the Americas? I have nothing against Hispanics, my Grand Daughter is married to one and he is one of the nicest men I know. She couldn't have made a better choice. But what is wrong with the way we were doing it? Why should White immigration be held back? I venture to say only because the Democrats have been sucking up to minorities for decades and they are losing the male White vote and this is their way to strengthen their base. As Biden said, minorities is our strength. He wasn't meaning America, he was meaning the Democratic Party.
     
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    It was while the socialists who laughably refer to themselves as "progressives" began taking over the Democratic Party and purging the New Left of the individualists who remained in its ranks. Now, they've taken over the former and destroyed the latter.
     
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    Yes they and voters elsewhere did do that. So far the democrat response is to double down on what we the people rejected.
     
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    OK. Diving back in...lol
    Can you point me to whatever supports that statement, please? I don't know enough about that to comment at this point.
    I vaguely recall that. Is that about Kamala bailing out people in Oregon and/or something else?

    What do you think is the motivation behind such action?
    The only thing that pinged for me was movement of convicts due to widespread COVID infections. Is that what you're referring to or is it something else?
    I'll have to look into that one.
    I hear you. I do.

    Please take a walk with me for a moment.

    We're back in Lincoln's day and there is a civil unrest about slavery. Some want to keep it. Some want to abolish it. Everything is going haywire and, ultimately, Lincoln signs the Emancipation Proclamation.

    We get in our time travel machine and go to the 1960s. There's this minister that is fighting for civil rights for black people. He can get people to listen to him and he uses that influence to fight for civil rights for all people.

    We transport again to the 2000s and there is this guy, Harvard graduate, great speaker and he has some ideas for the country and many people like what he has to say. He is the first biracial POTUS the country ever had.

    Imagine everybody goes to sleep and wakes up the following morning to the news reports that each of the above happened in their respective times.

    Q: What do you think the people on the "other" side of those events think about them?

    Q: What do you think people do when they feel like they are being forced to accept something they don't like?

    Q: What do you think YOU would feel if <whatever "rule"> was not to your liking? What if it was to your liking?
    I don't know what this pertains to. Would you please share your perspective on this issue?
    I understand your position. I don't agree that's the agenda or purpose though. Here's why...

    America is a melting pot. It was built on other people's land and other people's forced unpaid labor and, due to that, history has been written to exclude anybody that does not look like the people that did those things. Since it's foundation, EVERYONE has been indoctrinated to the idea that only certain people's contributions were noteworthy, often with Native Americans and African Americans reduced to footnotes.

    Now, imagine if you were within the "not noteworthy" subgroup of society.

    Everybody on tv and in the paper don't look like you.
    Everyone that is celebrated for contributing anything of value to our society don't look like you (although they exist).
    Everyone that gets to sit in front of the bus don't look like you.
    You have to use separate water fountains, bathrooms (there are twice as many in the White House because of this) and schools. You are constantly told that you are stupid, unable to learn, ugly, inferior and insignificant.
    Your very existence pisses people off for no other reason than they wrote the "rules".
    You can man up and service in your country's military but you are treated better in foreign countries than in your own.
    You can't buy a house that you can afford solely because of your skin color and/or sexuality.
    You don't get the same level of health care and medical studies are calibrated for people that don't look like you.
    You (or your spouse) gets pregnant and something happened during an exam that aborted the pregnancy.
    You have a beautiful little girl and want to give her a beautiful doll for her birthday, but none of the dolls look like her.
    You are charged higher interests rates even with the same level of credit scores of people that don't look like you.
    A loved one is sexually assaulted. At the hospital, a doctor discounts her trauma with "nobody wants to rape a n*gger*".
    Your secretary makes arrangements for a business trip but when you arrive the hotel manager refuses you entry because you're black.
    You are told that you can't be a "real family" with the same benefit as heterosexual couples because of who you love.


    Now, with that in mind, would you agree that "everyone is equal"?

    Would you feel unwelcome in your own country?

    Would you denounce your culture and origins in an effort to fit into a society that tells you that you are inferior no matter what you achieve?

    Would you want to know the WHOLE story which includes what your ancestors and other excluded subgroups contributed to this country?

    Why is it not considered *hateful* for ALL American children to have their cultures' contributions ignored while the existence and contributions of the one who makes the rules are, but, including that part of history is deemed hateful?
    Are you saying there are laws forbidding the display of Confederate flags or it is frowned upon?

    I have lived in areas with HOAs that have all kinds of rules but I'm unaware of anything specifically regarding the Confederate flag. I have never displayed any flags and thinking on it, I don't believe I've ever lived near anybody that has. I'm in the Midwest (Chicago) though so it might be a regional thing.

    Where have you seen or experienced this and what are the outcomes if <whatever that rule is> is broken?
    The 1st and 2nd Amendments have been a point of contention since the ink dried on them. It's kind of like the Hatfield and McCoys. People are fighting just to fight. Neither of those Amendments are going anywhere.
    I can understand why you think that. They think the same thing about your side. Personally, I'm not in either group and all of you drive me bonkers some days. LOL Just kidding. I don't have a hair trigger temper and very rarely get upset. Mess with my kids? Yeah, we're gonna have some problems. Everything else...let's sit back and sort it out.


    Now, with all that said, what do you think we can do to try to build some bridges to overcome some of the barriers we believe are caused by the other side?

    Q: What do you think can happen for us to accept that some things are not going to change and that's just that so we can close those chapters to focus on the ones where we might have some wiggle room for peaceful and productive negotiations?
     
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    I don't either, and if it wasn't for the Cold War and the Cold Warriors on the Left and in the Democratic Party both would have turned socialist years ago. Ironically, the fall of the Soviet Union accelerated this process because we are no longer witness to socialism's vast failing edifice and the totalitarianism and brutality required to sustain it.
     
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    What I do not like to do is argue in generalities.

    If you have a specific beef with any 'liberal', quote them and provide the link and state precisely what your disagreement is.

    Because, debating rants is not my thing.

    I prefer to debate specific things, arguments that are linkable, supportable in some way.
     
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    Universities study all kinds of weird things like 'sexual consent research'.

    If that bothers you, you need to talk a nice long walk.
     
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    what, you are comparing jay walking with running a nation?

    Excuse me, but the bar for running a nation is a tad higher than missing an occasional 'don't walk' sign.

    Nobody is faulting Reagan for getting the hostages released.

    His clandestine op in Central America was the issue, the idea that, the USSR was a threat to US in Central America, well, there is no evidence of that, and so the entire premise for Reagan's 'dirty little war' as it was known is flawed.

    The ONLY argument by the right is that the Sandinista's were 'Marxists', but that doesn't mean Russia is going to set up shop in CA. I mean, Russia knows very well America will not tolerate such a thing, just as we didn't tolerate their missiles in Cuba, they know damn well we mean business when it comes to that sort of thing, and, therefore, there was no 'Russia setting up shop in Nicaragua' or anywhere in Central America. Not even Kissinger, himself, bought that argument, to wit:

    https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1987-07-19-op-4924-story.html

    In its zeal to overthrow the Sandinista government in Nicaragua, the White House now plans to use the star quality of Lt. Col. Oliver L. North to persuade Congress to pour even more money into President Reagan’s dirty little war.

    The campaign began on the final day of North’s testimony before the congressional committees investigating the Iran- contra arms scandal. Republican members maneuvered to give North an opportunity to present, on national television, the same slide show that he used to help persuade wealthy conservatives to donate money to Nicaragua’s rebels. The hearing room was too brightly lighted to show slides, but he gave his pitch--a glib summary of the radical right’s vision of “Soviet penetration in this hemisphere.”

    Similar televised appeals for aid to the contras, even those made by the President himself, have left most Americans unpersuaded that this nation must wage war against a tiny neighbor in order to preserve freedom. That is because the Administration’s Central American scenario is based, as U.S. Rep. Lee H. Hamilton (D-Ind.) said, on “a series of lies.”

    One is the claim that the Sandinista government somehow represents a threat to the United States. Reagan’s own commission on Central America, chaired by former Secretary of State Henry A. Kissinger, didn’t buy that one. The 1979 revolution that brought the Sandinistas to power in Nicaragua was not, in and of itself, dangerous to the United States, even though the Sandinistas are Marxists. Nicaragua would threaten the United States if the government there allowed the Soviet Union to use its territory for military bases. The Sandinistas have not done so, and the Soviets have not pressed for bases because they know that the United States would not tolerate it
     
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    The reason it is inevitable has to do with the reproductive demographics of white people, compared to that of Hispanics, most of whom are devout Catholics, and you know what the Pope preaches about that subject.

    I was a wedding photographer for many years, and shot a few Hispanic weddings. Their families, on the whole, are much larger than your average white family.

    It's just a question of math.
     
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    I have a beef with everything I just posted. They are stupid. They go against everything we have ever believed in. There is nothing I think is even half way sane. I don't understand why you and all the other Liberal aren't hopping mad. Most of what thy want will do nothing but make America less safe. I posted much of the articles already and the video explains how stupid these people are. You do away or cut back on police, do away with ICE and then protect the criminals. Then if we deport them they want us to bring them back in? It's proven most people convicted for a crime will be repeaters. Crime is already so bad, police are only responding to the very worse ones.Businesses are mad as hell they have kids coming in in large groups and ripping them off with everything they can carry. People in San Francisco leave their trunk locked because so many are breaking in and damaging their cars. I read where one illegal after released from jail for raping an invalid and having the state giving sanctuary to him, two day later went back and raped her again. Another went back and murdered the woman. Then just last week I read where this happened.

    Woke’ School Actively Covered Up Rape of Girl in ...
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    I do not debate rants.

    As for wokesters, I'm not one of those guys.

    Each of our respective side of the spectrum, we both have our extremes, they do not define us.
     
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    Well no the government and the Soviets are smart enough to not move in there any time soon and start placing missiles and bombers in Nicaragua. They have to know we would be keeping a close watch on them for months and years. Especially after Cuba. . But they weren't so sly about helping out Granada. When we invaded there after the assassination of the government and pro communist government established and see that armed Cubans were there building a longer runway that could be used to land large Soviet aircraft. Although the Granada officials said that it would be built to land larger planes for tourist. At the end of the conflict, we find Soviet advisors there. You don't need armed Cubans to build a runway, or Soviet advisors to tell them how to do it. Cuba has build many on their own island. Besides the Soviets have nothing to gain from these two countries, except to spy on America or use them to attack us later. Many years President Monroe established the Monroe Doctrine to keep European influence out of the Americas. I'm sure he would have expanded it if he thought Asians nations would also be a problem.
     
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    I didn't high light those words. That's just how they appear in the article I reposted. . Your side seems to heavily favor criminals and are more anti justice and I don't see any of you Liberals getting the least bit upset about it. Or even wanting to talk about it. I have no problem cutting down Trump for what he says or does. I've done it plenty of times just in the last few days, I don't see that from the other side. You guys have no problem calling Trump the vilest of names, but seem to find nothing wrong with your own leaders and we have found plenty to point out. It's like your all afraid to condemn them in anything they do, or you would be considered bad Liberals.
     
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    You will own nothing, and you will be happy.
     
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    That's correct and it only multiplies when you restrict one race to come in and double or tripple the other. Which it seems exactly what your Party wants to do. Not only bring them in, but then all their family in chain migration. Over one million has come in already under Biden, with chain migration that could easy turn into ten million more in just a few years. But of course, that's the new Democratic Plan. Bring in as many as possible then bring in all the family and sit back and watch in a few years and you;ll have control of the government for decades to come.
     
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    You know Da Valva, it's one thing to be loyal to your Party, but another to put your Party ahead of the good of the country. With most of the things I have posted your Party wants to do is nowhere near for the good of the country. It's great for the criminals.
     
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    Grenada wasn't a scandal.

    There was some debate over it's legality, but Reagan had public support, mainly because of the 600 medical students whose lives might have been endangered but for the instability caused by the NJM coup. Now, Reagan garnered support because of the students, not because he invaded a country that had underwent a takeover by the opposition party. Reagan was able to kill two birds, to thwart the Marxist takeover and save the students. But, without saving students, he would have had a big problem defending the action.
     
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    No, your side favors criminals, you elected Donald Trump.

    Not to mention:

    indictments.jpg
     
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    Who told you that? And you believed it?
     
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    Farmers are having trouble getting produce to market. We need more, not less, immigration.

    America was built on immigration.
     
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    My side might have more people committing crimes, but your side are protecting criminals, wanting to bring them back when deported. Wanting to do away or cut back on law enforcement, making it easier to cause more crime and criminals. It's very possible that your side make it easier to cause crime.for mine.
     
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    Controlled immigration sir. Not the kind your side wants where we don't know who is coming in.
     

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