Clearly John did want to tell us things which would happen before the Jews accepted Jesus as their Elijah, way into the future and after the Holocaust and even describing both Islam and Christianity taking form in the future. What would be the Revelation otherwise, but things unrelated to the Jews, themselves? None of the things you say here can be placed side of brackets and explain whole chapters of Revelation, one chapter after another, Read it for yourself: http://kofh2u.tripod.com/id196.html
You know what Preterism is ? Its what mainstream churches taught before the Great Depression and the Dust Bowl and before Ex-felon Cyrus Scofield was hired to rewrite commentary on scripture.
Of course it does; it's never been a secret or anything. It's all just a 'big mystery' to those who don't know what they're talking about and are just engaging in silly disparagments, to serve other agendas, in Margot's case it's to promote here Islamic heroes, having failed to make any kind of headway in pretending they're 'a religion of peace' and convincing gullible people Islam is just a violent murdering political cult. Spreading BS re Christianity is just another tactic aimed at that goal. For 'new atheists', it's just a frothing hate for any sort of restraint of mindless self-indulgence and narcissism, not any genuine intellectual opinion. It's hilarious reading some of this nonsense from 'new atheists' pretending they can school anybody on Christian theology and philosophy without having ever studied it, just read some junk on web pages they liked somewhere and sally forth to repeat it all without nary a thought to actually checking any of it out. As long as their peer herd is behind them, no need to, right? - - - Updated - - - you aren't schooling anybody about anything here. Stop pretending you are. Stick to ridiculous the usual idiocy of cherry picking quotes out of context.
Gad, Preterism has NOTHING to do with Islam.... The whole fundie business came about with Cyrus Scofield and was preached in the tent revivals during the Depression to people who were ignorant. Guess who hired Scofield???? Here's a hint... It was the same guy who blackmailed the President Wilson over letters written to a woman.... for a cool $40K and the appointment of Justice Brandeis.
you don't know squat. If you did you would actually respond to what people said that you're quoting; you're Google Scholaring and pasting gibberish you don't have a clue about. Of course, in this thread you aren't nearly as funny as when you're babbling nonsense about Saladin and claiming there were no caravans in his era. Now that was hilarious stuff right there, and of course just more proof you're ignorant and just trolling here.
This funny thing here is that you attack Margot for being uneducated in Christianity, and yet you show your own abject ignorance when talking about Islam. I await the usual idiocy of cherry-picking quotes out of context, of course. - - - Updated - - -
Hush little baby don't say a word. And never mind that noise you heard. It's just the BEAST under your bed. In your closet, In your HEAD! EXIT LIGHT! ENTER NIGHT! AboveAlpha
Why do you believe revelations is just now beginning? I have good belief most of it has already happened. The Roman empire was the beast, Sat on seven mountains? City of seven hills? I'll (*)(*)(*)(*) alot of people off saying this but the Catholic church was the whore of Babylon, "in her was found the blood of the saints". How many "heretics" did the Catholic church burn? "Attempt to change the dates and times and holy days" the Catholic church did just that, and adopted many pagan holidays. Protestantism was one of the two witnesses. There is far too much detail to explain it all here but give it a go and look it up. The mark was on the forehead and right hand, it's not a literal mark. It's knowledge and you actions.
That Islam is just a violent murdering political cult and the Koran glorifies and demands violence against 'non-believers' as the ultimate act, and it's 'book' is clearly an insane rant and not a religious text, is the exact opposite of 'ignorance'. You hate that, of course. No need to 'cherry pick'; murder and looting are the two pillars of Islam. Nothing to 'cherry pick'. We can see the results of a 'culture' based on Islam even today; when they are momentarily stymied from murdering and robbing 'infidels', they busy themselves murdering and looting each other. Here's to hoping nobody stops them from their current butchery against each other until they all self-destruct.
No, that is exactly what it is, ignorance. The last thing I need is another Westerner who is solely educated in Western thought to teach me about Islam. All you people are taught is the Enlightenment- Communism. Uh-huh, then let's see the evidence. Oh, and by the way, 'infidel' is a Western term. But Westerners sure like to project their own history and violence on the Muslim world. It makes up for their vast ignorance on world history, let alone being a sign of their superiority complex. The only thing that is self-destructing is the West. Islam will be here long after (indeed, forever) your debauched society crumbles.
More like Islamists are angry because their propaganda is failing. The history of Islam speaks for itself, and no amount of spin is going to fool anybody, except idiots. Unfortunately for you, the Koran has been published in English, and your BS can't fly here. We don't have psychotic Mullahs and gangsters controlling the discussions and the writing of history here like your Islamic cesspools do. lol that's rich ... lol like none has ever been presented here and all over any message board. Try again. So what? Are you going to claim it's never used by Islamo-Land apologists? hahaha ... you mean you don't like it that non-muslims defend themselves from Islamic imperialism. Okay. More silliness. Don't have much, as usual. lol you don't read newspapers. Not surprised. Lol a follower of an atavistic degenerate cult that is destroying itself daily is claiming Islam isn't a debauched failure, and has been for centuries. More comedy.
Why don't you start a thread about Islam? This thread is about the Beast of Revelation which has NOTHING at all to do with Islam.
I never said there were no caravans in the time of Saladin, but the caravan trade had declined because Spain and Portugal had SHIPS............. Are you still trying to change the subject from the Beast in Revelation???
Exactly... They used History to try and understand things. And when they thought that they had an understanding of the past, they HYPOTHESIZED what would be the next things to follow if they had been right. This is EXACTLY what Science does. The Hypothesis is based upon what we know to be true, and it states a new idea that ought follow which experiments need then verify and make a new theory.
You have no clue what the five pillars of Islam are, do you? You are just making things up as you go along. - - - Updated - - - They weren't hypothesizing 2000 years into the future....... about Europe etc..... Meanwhile, Jewish eschatology claims the end times come in 225 years.
I agree with you in regard to Margot. She refuses to be rational and will disparage anything, including Science facts if necessary. Her interests are anti-Bible, pro PLO, against the Jews, and the attacks refuse to accept correction even when it is offered. It is a fact, that the Jews had long before believed in Revelation, but a writing titled by a different name, i.e.; their apocalypse. It is also a fact that they believed the woman sitting upon the seven headed beast was a caricature of Astarte, the goddess of sexual lust, a harlot, and a mother to the Gayness which always accompanies her. This is very important to the whole jest of Revelation which besides explaining what will happen in religion, it also tells us the truth we do not want to hear, that sexually promiscuous societies crumble from within and/or are attacked by patriarchs, like Islam, China, N Korea, and even Russia, today. I try to tel the Gays that signing up for Queerdom by marriage licenses is not a good idea. Nor is teaching everyone to masturbate together good for them, because they are easy to find and eliminate in the future. However, once we see that the ancient Jews saw Astarte as the harlot, we know Feminism is the signal of sexual promiscuity rising in each of the members of the seven heads. We also KNOW that the ancient Jews believed the heads represented empires, up and until Rome fell. When that happened, one nation inside the Roman Empire would gain a short-lived dominance over the West, and then after ten of these things took place, an eleventh, horn Islam, would rise up amongst them. Mohammed was the False Prophet who would establish the Ottoman Empire in the 15th century. But that empire would fail at the exact location of Armaggedon, in 1919, when the British defeated the Turks, followed later by the establishment of Israel which had long been predicted in Zechariah. Rev. 16:16 And he, (who opens the sealed book: [Rev 5:5]), gathered them, (Jews, denominational Christians, and Muslims), together into a (triangular) place (the place of these three views of the Bible: Jewish, Christian, and Muslim) called in the Hebrew tongue (the triangular valley of) Armageddon. Armageddon Armageddon (or Har-Megiddon), a symbolical name: har a mountain or range of hills From H1413 ; rendezvous; Megiddon or Megiddo, a place in Palestine: Megiddo, Megiddon. Triangular shaped piece of land
You mean your ridiculous cut and pastes from the "Freudian Bible"??? Armageddon is a 35 acre plain where many battles were fought.. The fortress was Megiddo and for most of its history it had nothing to do with Israel.. It was a safe place along the trade route. Meanwhile, The Talmud, the Midrash, and the Kabbalistic work, the Zohar, state that the 'deadline' by which the Messiah must appear is 6,000 years from creation. According to tradition, the Hebrew calendar started at the time of Creation, placed at 3761 BC. The current (2014/2015) Hebrew year is 5775.
Revelation says the West will fail, it represents the twelvth horn on the beast, once Islam was added to the ten. Rev. 17:11 And the beast, (a brazen and corrupt, sexually misdirected economic system: [Dan 3:1-5]), that was until Rome), and is not (for a thousand years of Monasticism under Christ), even he is the eighth, (the Global Economy), and is of the seven, (Western Culture), and goeth into (Historical ignominy), perdition. But it also that Islam, Christianity, and Judaism of today will be replaced by a world where Truth is lord, and Reality is our only God
Hahaaaa,... Mohammed was a very wise man who stopped the Christians dead as they tried to convert Arabia. 1) First, he said we must all love and respect Jesus, because the whole Roman Empire already did. 2) Then he opposed the Christians who were saying god is a trinity, when the Jews insist "God is one." His plan was to have everyone rise and say "Allah is one." That would stop the proselytizers dead. None o them were able to simple explain that Truth is the natural son and the very image of Reality. But they could not say that, nor could they even prove it, back then.
I understand that this is what you believe, but surely you can't expect anyone else to believe it. You can't make it through a verse without replacing every phrase with something else. Even if the verses mean what you say they mean, they could barely be more vague. How do you get from "They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years" to "there will be a dominant monastic system that starts at x date and lasts for about 1,000 years, all within a 1,500 mile square area, centered somewhere in France and oriented with its flat faces towards the cardinal directions"? You base your interpretation on a lot of false history, including the notion that paganism was somehow destroyed and didn't come back until the Renaissance, and that the entire focus of Christian religion is/should be sexual repression. If you want to believe all of that, okay, but it is ludicrous to pretend that it should be persuasive to anyone else. John explains the Beast: the heads are kings (not civilizations), and the horns are mountains or hills. He explained the symbol. Now Christians are trying to turn his explanation into yet another symbol, all while completely ignoring the actual context of Revelation as a letter to seven churches.
Muslims will not accept criticism of Islam. They will rely upon whatever Koran verses they need to justify what they are doing. Jesus said things about our behaviors which Islam totally ignores. The Muslims do none of the things Jesus preached, but they "pretend" (to themselves, no less), that Jesus was a prophet and was important, and need not be listened to at all. How do you respond to the radical backward patriarchy of Mohammed which nullifies what Jesus said? How do you ignore that Christ said he represented the idea of Truth, and was the image of "God," and the son of Reality, itself??
The only one here who is angry is you. Where is all that Christian love I keep hearing about? Says the guy who has fallen for the propoganda peddled by those extremely simplistic right-wing nitwits who grovel before the Chosen Ones. Oh, he's not only an expert on Islamic theology, but also on Islamic history. Next thing you know he has a degree from Al-Azhar. If only all us idiots were as smart as he is. Just put forth one verse or gtf(). Your diatribes bore me. Funny, but true. Indeed, you yourself are the epitome of my accurate observation. Oh, of course, it's all been discussed before. What a lame and cowardly cop-out. Just another example out of many of Western projection on the Islam. And boy do they love to project. Islamic imperialism? The only civilization that has been imperialistic for the last several centuries. More projection. Denial is the first step. And you don't observe your own society. Not surprised. Here's a tip: starting every sentence with "lol" makes you look like a moron not worth taking seriously. That being said, what the average, uneducated Westerner has to say about Islam is inconsequential. But, yes, the West is indeed a a materialistic, decadent and debauched society. Enjoy it while it lasts.
There were only two small Christian enclaves in Arabia.. in Najran and at Tarut Island.. They were Nestorian Christians or what you might consider heretics.
