The being of light of NDE fame, G-d or Satan?

rahl · May 17, 2016

TrackerSam said: ↑

B.S. This isn't a scientific journal, it's a science news story. Google lead researcher Dr Sam Parnia and check his research.
An OBE has been verified and you can't stand it can you?
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OBE has not been verified. It is like claiming bigfoot is verified because someone said they saw one.

TrackerSam · May 17, 2016

rahl said: ↑

OBE has not been verified. It is like claiming bigfoot is verified because someone said they saw one.
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Gee who to believe????????????? You................an otherwise anonymous poster or Dr Sam Parnia, Assistant Professor of Critical Care Medicine and Director of Resuscitation Research at The State University of New York at Stony Brook, USA, and the study’s lead author of the largest Near Death Experiences study published. That's a tough one. HMmmmmm. I think I'll take what behind door number 2.
He verified what was experienced during the OBE what could only be ascertained by someone having an OBE.

rahl · May 17, 2016

TrackerSam said: ↑

Gee who to believe????????????? You................an otherwise anonymous poster or Dr Sam Parnia, Assistant Professor of Critical Care Medicine and Director of Resuscitation Research at The State University of New York at Stony Brook, USA, and the study’s lead author of the largest Near Death Experiences study published.
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He made a claim, that he didn't and can't support. It's no different that the guy who said he saw bigfoot.

That's a tough one. HMmmmmm. I think I'll take what behind door number 2.
He verified what was experienced during the OBE what could only be ascertained by someone having an OBE.
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Just like the guy who saw bigfoot verified what was experienced seeing bigfoot as could only be ascertained by someone having seen bigfoot.

It's just as moronic.

TrackerSam · May 18, 2016

Whatever.

Durandal · May 18, 2016

It's Lord Xenu, of course.

DennisTate · May 22, 2016

Durandal said: ↑

It's Lord Xenu, of course.
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Got to hand it to that Lord Xenu for asking simple and direct to the point questions of pastors who have an NDE!

http://www.thequickenedword.com/rhema/BobJonesTestimonyAugust81975DeathExperience.htm

“I was in pain on the earth and blood was shooting out of my mouth like a geyser.

And all of a sudden I wasn’t in pain anymore. This Man, the Parakleet (1) stood by my side, the Holy Spirit, we started walking. And as we walked, I saw a Man who was white light. (2) All white light was around Him, but He was the whitest of all white lights. He had His hands out. As I came into that white light, there came a feeling over me like I had never known before. I asked the Man beside me, “What is that?” The Man (Holy Spirit) said, It is the love of God. I said, “It’s just so wonderful, it’s so glorious.” And He said, “That’s what it is, it’s the glory of God.” I said, “How can it be both?” It’s in John 17. The love I had with the Father, the glory I had with the Father. So that was the greatest experience I have ever had. Just enveloped in His glorious love. That’s possible down here. The glory of God is coming and it is going to be in His glorious love.

I noticed another group of people on my left side and they had like a conveyor belt underneath them. And they were wrapped up in all different kinds of things. And I looked at them and I asked this Man, “Why are they wrapped up that way?” And He said, “They were wrapped up in the earth with their gods. It’s the gods they worshipped on the earth, that followed them into death. They were on their way to hell with their gods. I saw a man wrapped up in dollar bills. I saw a man wrapped up in his sod or grass, his yard was his god. I saw a man that had no body, he was just one big head. He was an atheist, he worshipped himself. He was his own god and going to hell with it. I saw all manner of things who people worshipped on the earth, who they are going to spend eternity with. Well I worshipped the Lord and I am going to spend eternity with Him. But these others that don’t are going to spend eternity in total darkness with their god. And their gods will be their tormentors not a hundred thousand years, but eternity.

So I looked at that line. It was so horrible and everyone when they came there, they recognized Him. Their eyes got big, and everyone that is going to hell has had a witness in one way or another that there is a God. And everyone of them willingly denied Him. For each 2 in the line that I was in, there was 98 in the other line.

I watched the Lord speak to people that were coming there. And He asked them only one question: “Did you learn to love?” He’s not going to ask you what you did. If you learn to love you are going to do that which is right. Did you learn to love? (3) He would ask them that question and they would say, Yes Lord and He would kiss them right on the lips and embrace them and the double doors of His heart would open and they would go right on in.
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Durandal · May 23, 2016

DennisTate said: ↑

Got to hand it to that Lord Xenu for asking simple and direct to the point questions of pastors who have an NDE!

http://www.thequickenedword.com/rhema/BobJonesTestimonyAugust81975DeathExperience.htm
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I watched the Lord speak to people that were coming there. And He asked them only one question: “Did you learn to love?” He’s not going to ask you what you did. If you learn to love you are going to do that which is right. Did you learn to love? (3) He would ask them that question and they would say, Yes Lord and He would kiss them right on the lips and embrace them and the double doors of His heart would open and they would go right on in.

Gay. I'd rather go to hell

DennisTate · Jun 4, 2016

Spooky said: ↑

What in the world does Kings 18:21 have to do with NDEs?
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The final Elijah.......
must somehow "restore the tribes of Israel...."
which will put this person and his / her helpers into the realm of politics..........

NDE accounts are one important way to get Christians to lighten up.... calm down...... and think......

Look at the poll results here on a Christian forum.....

http://www.christianforums.com/threads/gods-many-plans-for-the-gay-community.7728763/
Do you Agree That God Has Plans For The Gay Community?

* Yes, God owns this studio, we are the actors playing out our role!
12 vote(s) 27.3%

No, God would never compromise one millionth of an inch with sin!!!!
12 vote(s) 27.3%

* Yes, deep down we all love God and He has good planned for all of us.
16 vote(s) 36.4%

I have really never considered this idea before???
12 vote(s) 27.3%

DennisTate · Jun 4, 2016

Durandal said: ↑

I watched the Lord speak to people that were coming there. And He asked them only one question: “Did you learn to love?” He’s not going to ask you what you did. If you learn to love you are going to do that which is right. Did you learn to love? (3) He would ask them that question and they would say, Yes Lord and He would kiss them right on the lips and embrace them and the double doors of His heart would open and they would go right on in.

Gay. I'd rather go to hell
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I can identify with that sentiment........................
but.....

Former Atheist Howard Storm said that hell.........
was a rougher type of Gay?????!

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/notable/howard-storm.html#a01

A wild orgy of frenzied taunting, screaming and hitting ensued. I fought like a wild man. All the while it was obvious that they were having great fun. It seemed to be, almost, a game for them, with me as the center-piece of their amusement. My pain became their pleasure. They seemed to want to make me hurt by clawing at me and biting me. Whenever I would get one off me, there were five more to replace the one.
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TrackerSam said: ↑

Gee who to believe????????????? You................an otherwise anonymous poster or Dr Sam Parnia, Assistant Professor of Critical Care Medicine and Director of Resuscitation Research at The State University of New York at Stony Brook, USA, and the study’s lead author of the largest Near Death Experiences study published. That's a tough one. HMmmmmm. I think I'll take what behind door number 2.
He verified what was experienced during the OBE what could only be ascertained by someone having an OBE.
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An unlike Rahl......I'm not so totally anonymous since I use my own name online......

www.BankingSystemFlaws.blogspot.ca/

Durandal · Jun 4, 2016

DennisTate said: ↑

I can identify with that sentiment........................
but.....

Former Atheist Howard Storm said that hell.........
was a rougher type of Gay?????!

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/notable/howard-storm.html#a01
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Hm. He sounds like the kind of "former atheist" who wasn't an atheist on the basis of sound reason and a proper sense of scepticism. I wonder why he thinks an NDE should be anything other than a dream or hallucination? Seems to me he was predisposed to attribute it to a religious experience.

This is why science is so important to progress. Without scientific methodology, there is no good way separate fact from fiction. The revolutionary advancement in medicine and technology that we are still in the midst of even today has come about thanks to science, and at the same time the associated explosion in accumulated knowledge has pretty thoroughly debunked religious claims that had dominated the collective thinking of our ancestors. We can say with a good amount of certainty that creationism is false and that gods, angels, demons, jinn, etc. are figments of the imagination and the stuff of fiction, often misused by some to manipulate others gullible enough to listen, whether in a cult or a larger religion. When people have an NDE and believe it to be somehow genuine, they revert to a more primitive way of thinking. I can only conclude that they do this out of a basic fear of death and a desire to escape it. Religion is escapism from the reality before our eyes and attested to by science.

TrackerSam · Jun 6, 2016

Atheists can believe in the after life free from any religion. Pumping someone full of drugs to get them to see lights is a laughable dismissal of OBEs and proves nothing.

DennisTate · Jun 7, 2016

TrackerSam said: ↑

Atheists can believe in the after life free from any religion. Pumping someone full of drugs to get them to see lights is a laughable dismissal of OBEs and proves nothing.
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Near death experiencers report an afterlife that is indeed essentially free from religion as we know it!

http://www.near-death.com/reincarnation/experiences/mellen-thomas-benedict.html#a09

I asked God, "What is the best religion on the planet? Which one is right?"

And Godhead said, with great love:
"I don't care."
That was incredible grace. What that meant was that we are the caring beings here.

The Ultimate Godhead of all the stars tells us:
"It does not matter what religion you are."
They come and they go, they change. Buddhism has not been here forever, Catholicism has not been here forever, and they are all about to become more enlightened. More light is coming into all systems now. There is going to be a reformation in spirituality that is going to be just as dramatic as the Protestant Reformation. There will be lots of people fighting about it, one religion against the next, believing that only they are right.

Everyone thinks they own God, the religions and philosophies, especially the religions, because they form big organizations around their philosophy. When Godhead said, "I don't care," I immediately understood that it is for us to care about. It is important, because we are the caring beings. It matters to us and that is where it is important. What you have is the energy equation in spirituality. Ultimate Godhead does not care if you are Protestant, Buddhist, or whatever. It is all a blooming facet of the whole. I wish that all religions would realize it and let each other be. It is not the end of each religion, but we are talking about the same God. Live and let live. Each has a different view. And it all adds up to the Big Picture; it is all important.
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DennisTate · Jun 11, 2016

This is an interesting answer to the o.p. question......

http://www.near-death.com/science/research/satan.html#a10

Why the Being of Light in NDEs is Not Satan

Many Christian skeptics argue that NDEs are of the Devil. They accuse the Being of Light to be the Dark Lord and Prince of Darkness himself impersonating an angel of light. They claim that the Being of Light preaches an evil gospel that draws people away from the Bible thereby leading them to hell. They base their misguided belief about the Being of Light on this Bible verse:

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And I [Paul] will keep on doing what I am doing in order to cut the ground from under those who want an opportunity to be considered equal with us in the things they boast about. For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light." (2 Corinthians 11:12-14, NIV)
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Being of Light These skeptics believe the Being of Light to be Satan masquerading as an angel of light. But if these critics really understood what the Bible teaches about the nature of light, they would not be making such ignorant claims. NDEs and the Bible agree God is light (1 John 1:5) and there is no darkness in light, and so there is no darkness in the Being of Light. If we assume an evil archangel named "Satan" actually exists and can masquerade as an angel of light, this does not mean such a being actually IS an angel of light - unless you are willing to believe Satan can manifest God's light. But the Being of Light in NDEs cannot be Satan because the Being of Light passes the test given by Jesus and John. It is the test to determine whether the spirit is of God or not.
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DennisTate · Aug 2, 2016

Interesting article.

https://thesearchforlifeafterdeath....-the-nature-of-god-in-near-death-experiences/
New Study Reveals the Nature of God in Near-Death Experiences

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Results and Statistics from ‘The God Study’
40% of experiences included in the study indicated that they “were aware of the existence of God or a supreme being during their NDE.” According to Long, this is “greater than the percentage of NDErs reporting a tunnel, encountering deceased loved ones, or having a life review.”

At the time of their NDE, 64% of respondents believed that God either definitely or probably exists, whereas afterwards, the figure rose to nearly 82% indicating that belief in God increased significantly after a near-death experience.

Common Elements in the Experience of God During an NDE

Earlier in this post, we examined how the prevalent religious view of God describes a being that is judgemental on a personal level, has human characteristics of anger, love and jealousy, intercedes in our personal lives, and can be variously merciful or vengeful depending on whether we’ve met certain conditions, such as moral behavior or sin.

Love

In the God study, love is the prevailing and defining experience with God that NDErs describe. God has been described as ‘pure love’, ‘infinite love’, ‘complete, total and unconditional love’, all-consuming, all forgiving [love]’.

58.1% of survey responses answered ‘yes’ when asked if the NDEr encountered specific information/awareness regarding love.

Dr. Long also brings up an interesting point about how the respondents describe the love that they felt. It was completely unconditional and yet very intimate and personal. It was if God knew all of their faults, sins and crimes and loved them anyway.

Another aspect of love that is experienced by NDErs is universal love – the kind of love that assures us that God loves all aspects of creation – there are no conditions for this love; it is given freely to all, regardless of the rules and dogma and orthodoxy that religion has created in God’s name.

On a personal note, I’ve never read a near-death experience where God was disappointed in a person who didn’t keep kosher, or pray 5 times daily, or missed church regularly. God seems to be far bigger than the petty, spiteful God of many religions who requires constant adoration. God’s love is unconditional, period.

No words can describe my time with God and His perfect love. The type of love God exudes and is all about is beyond human comprehension. God, love, growing spiritually, serving in love, uniting in love are our goals. Our lives are only approximations of what we can achieve through God and His love. Our love is immature and ‘seen through a glass darkly.’ The answer is in God’s light and love. The total bliss (Long, 2016).

The Appearance of God in NDEs

The most common description of the feeling of God is The Light. In Dr. Long’s study, he uses several NDE narratives as examples that describe God as a type of living, communicating light energy that radiates pure love. From my own research of NDEs, it seems that only very rarely do people describe God as a human figure. God is more often considered the primal source energy, variously described visually as ‘the light’ and at other times described as the source of the light energy.

When a near-death experiencer sees ‘God’ as a human, it’s typically an appearance that will comfort the experiencer. One example used in Dr. Long’s study saw God as a wise elderly man with beautiful soft white hair and a beard, wearing a kaftan. Others have seen the figure of a man or woman in a ball of energy, and in another example, “an aurora borealis crystalline mist in the shape of a man’.

Interconnectivity

Unlike many religions that see God as a separate entity from the more humble and fallible creation of man, near-death experiencers commonly express complete oneness with God.

“I didn’t see God with eyes, but God was everything and everywhere. There was no separation felt (Long, 2016).”

The Meaning of Life

Dr. Long’s God Study also explored insights into the meaning of life that was communicated to near-death experiencers. Each of us has a life purpose that is significant in the overall tapestry of the human experiment. Relationships are also an important part of our experience on earth, according to the respondents, for they teach us about love, selflessness and compassion.

Earth is described as a school – a place where we can learn through immersion in a limited environment. For example, could a person truly understand compassion for others if they had never experienced loss, pain or suffering themselves? How could love be at all defined unless we also experienced the lack of love? Exploring the complexities of living in a world without the explicit guarantee of immortality and the difficulties of survival give all of us the opportunity to make certain choices with our free will – the choice to love or the choice to choose fear, hate and subjugation of others.

The problem of evil, as described earlier makes far more sense if God is not understood as human being that judges and intervenes in our affairs. Instead, humans have free will to make our own choices and learn from the consequences in order to understand the greater value in constructive creativity through love. The origin of tragedies, whether through chance or soul agreements is a topic beyond the scope of this article, but they are undoubtedly opportunities for learning, growing and demonstrating patience, strength and hope.

Judgement During the Life Review

Life reviews are another component of near-death experiences often associated with a higher being. During a near-death experience, the person is presented with a review of their major life events and the emotional repercussions of certain choices. During the life review, respondents often say that they were not judged by God for their acts, but rather they judged themselves from a detached perspective that enabled them to understand how their decisions affected others.

My life review was all about my relationships with others. I felt what they felt in my relationships with them. I felt their love, and also their pain and hurt from things I had done or said to them. Their hurt made me cringe, and I thought, “oh, I could have done better there.” But mostly I felt love. No one was judging me; I felt no disapproval – only my own reactions to it all. The feeling of unconditional love saturating me continued; I was judging myself – no one else was judging me. I was told that the earth is like a big school, a place where you can apply spiritual lessons you have learned and test yourself to see whether you can “live” what you already know you should do. Basically, the earth is a place to walk the walk and live the way it should be done. It was made clear to me that some people come to the earth to work one or more aspects of themselves, while others come to also help the world as a whole. The other side doesn’t have the kind of pressures that the body imposes. Here on earth, we have to feed and clothe our bodies and provide shelter from the elements. We’re under continual pressure to make decisions that have a spiritual base. We may be taught on the ‘other side’ what we are ‘supposed to do’, but can we live it under these pressures on earth? (Long, 2016)

If human souls are not judged by God, then the idea of divine morality comes into question. One NDE used as an example in “God and the Afterlife” illustrates that even without direct judgement from God, there is a built-in function for consequential learning. The popular idiom “what goes around comes around” seems to be universal, as this particular NDEr was told that they should be careful of what thoughts and emotions they put into the universe because it will always come back to them in some form later on.
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DennisTate · Aug 2, 2016

TrackerSam said: ↑

Atheists can believe in the after life free from any religion. Pumping someone full of drugs to get them to see lights is a laughable dismissal of OBEs and proves nothing.
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The spirituality and simplicity taught by the being of light of NDE fame.....
even to Atheists....... profoundly changes how they view the purpose of life.....
and the value of this life.

DennisTate · Aug 11, 2016

Here is a somewhat more clear explanation as to why this question has became
such an obsession with me.......

http://www.politicalforum.com/relig...chael-phelps-story-certainly-encouraging.html

The Michael Phelps story is certainly encouraging....

His openness about low his life and mental state
was just a couple of years ago... .and yet how he got turned around.... can serve as a
true inspiration to thousand of people.

My wife read this article to me while I drove her to work this morning.....
a profoundly encouraging story.

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I personally don't mean this in the most negative way possible.....
but to some degree.... whoever that being of light of NDE fame is......

it is that being/ Being/ Intelligences/ intelligences FAULT....
that we Americans and Canadians are obsessed with the ghost of Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus - Issa.....

because the being of light of NDE fame has given the impression that....
he is actually Messiah Yeshua - Jesus - Issa ..... a former human.....

who is reviewing peoples lives with them who have a brush with death....
notice how many of these particular accounts..... are considered...
"Christian."

http://www.near-death.com/religion/christianity.html
Near-Death Experiences and Christianity

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Now I will point out one of those accounts...

At that page there are accounts by 23 different individuals.....
who term themselves "Christian."

The account of this man:

http://www.near-death.com/religion/christianity/emanuel-tuwagirairmana.html
Emanuel Tuwagirairmana's Near-Death Experience

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You will read about a Muslim.... .who calls on the name of Messiah Issa - Jesus - Yeshua.....
and he gets to go to heaven.... while a fellow Christian......

goes into The Void / purgatory / hell.....
because she had been unwilling to forgive......

This being of light is also seriously cool to Atheists... who while alive
did not even believe in H-m.... but he shows these Atheists great respect.....
so some of them.... like Howard Storm....almost immediately become Christian......

My main point is this...... the being of light of NDE fame.... is so seriously cool.....
so wise.... that IF he was actually Lucifer / Satan/ The Accuser of the Brethren....
appearing as an Angel of Light,........ man........ even though I am a Christian I would be
tempted to follow him into a revolt..... against the guy who stated that the plan of
G-d was......"many called / few chosen" and
"a broad way leading to destruction and many there be who go in thereat and a NARROW WAY
leading to life and few finding it???????????!"

This may help to explain my obsession with NDE accounts?!

http://www.politicalforum.com/opinion-polls/445248-being-light-nde-fame-g-d-satan.html
The being of light of NDE fame, G-d or Satan?
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DennisTate · Oct 5, 2016

lynx said: ↑

I heard quite many stories about people went to heaven without being dead. Shane warren, the boy in "Heavel is for real", he didn't die when he went to heaven, and many many others. Like Mary K Baxter was taken in Heaven and Hell, she was not dead, she was shown that they are real, and tell people about it. All these give weight on out of body experience and NDE. It's not hard to understand these, if we understand we were given spirit when we were created and have experience of Holy Spirit who dwell in us. My guess is that if people don't have the Spirit of Truth in them, they won't get it. It is the Grace of God to given us understanding and wisdom.
However, we have to be careful, because it is also true that some accounts are from the dark side. I saw some NDE experience on youtube, I can tell quite many of them are from the dark side, not all. Fallen angels and aliens are also able to take human spirit out of their bodies too, and pretend to be good. The second heaven belongs to them. I would guess, half & half in all the cases. Ask God for the Spirit of Discernment if you want to make sure.

The Holocaust, I am very relief to know that the Angel was there meeting them, meeting their spirits and souls. I heard about same thing happened in 9/11 site http://www.wnd.com/2012/07/fbi-agent-i-saw-angels-at-flight-93-crash-site/. I found these very encouraging. We really don't have to be afraid of dead.
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Here is an interesting question regarding the attitude and intentions of the being of light of NDE fame!

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=477974&p=1066696330#post1066696330

DennisTate · Nov 7, 2016

Back when I was a member of the Worldwide Church of God, if I had passed this
particular near death experience to one of the pastors, a high percentage of them would have found the following paragraphs almost offensive.

We tend to think that God and the Messiah should view other churches..... or religious groups, much as we do ourselves.

http://www.near-death.com/religion/christianity/betty-malz.html

Walking down the hill I looked into Terre Haute as the worlds of spirit and time and space began to fuse back together. Ahead of me were many church steeples glistening in the morning sun. I was suddenly aware of God's love for all his churches. It was a sudden bit of knowledge, as if I were being told this on the inside by the Holy Spirit. At that moment I loved all his churches too; and as my prejudices dissolved, I loved all his people
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Gaius_Marius · Nov 7, 2016

There is no god and all religions are lies.
There is no excuse to not know this in 2016.

DennisTate · Nov 12, 2016

Gaius_Marius said: ↑

There is no god and all religions are lies.
There is no excuse to not know this in 2016.
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Interesting theory!

If the most fundamental energy..... most ancient intelligence / Intelligence.....
actually spoke through Isaiah then.......
G-d is something of an Agnostic........ or even an Atheist?!

Or... does G-d believe in H-mself / H-rself?

Isa 45:22

Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
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Isa 46:9
Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,

Isa 44:8

Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.
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Durandal · Nov 12, 2016

Gaius_Marius said: ↑

There is no god and all religions are lies.
There is no excuse to not know this in 2016.
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Nice to see we can agree on something

People hallucinate when they're near death, I think specifically when they are recovering and returning to life and consciousness.

ziggyfish · Nov 12, 2016

DennisTate said: ↑

It seems to me that we are in a situation somewhat like the time of the Prophet Elijah.

1Kings 18:21

I began to study these experiences a great deal back in 1990. They immediately made me realize that the "soul sleep" doctrine that I had been taught was almost certainly in error. I got kicked out of two churches due to disagreements mainly over that doctrine. But as a Christian there was no way that I could deny the possibility of people having an "out of the body experience!"

2 Corinthians 12:2

But I know that many Christians struggle with these accounts..... partly because they are offended that people are shown going to heaven who have not "accepted Yeshua - Jesus" in quite the same manner that they did?!?!

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/notable/howard-storm.html

Howard Storm:

Here is the verse that causes many Christians to reject NDE accounts as a deception from the dark side of the force.

Acts 4:12
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Your islamic right?

DennisTate · Dec 13, 2016

ziggyfish said: ↑

Your islamic right?
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Actually I am a Christian Universalist with Hebraic Roots who
is open to the possibility that the Prophet Muhammad, (peace be upon him),
may have had either a near death experience, or an out of the body experience, or at least
an open vision of heaven........
and if I remember correctly of hell as well.

Prophets are still human beings... and prophets....
make errors and misunderstand their own visions to at least some degree....
and they certainly get the wrong impression regarding the full meaning of the
words of other prophets.

For example.... The Apostle Paul.... .was amazing... but he was far more influenced by
the Rabbinic ideas on women's role in society than Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus was.

An interesting role is coming up that many gifted actors should soon begin to plan for.......
IF.... a Christian or Jew can be deceived into thinking that the being of light of NDE fame
is usually a fallen angel impersonating the Messiah / Moshiach or HaShem .....THEN....
it will be no surprise if they could also come to believe that the final Elijah and/ or Moshiach ben Ephrayim / Yosef/
Messiah son of Joseph..... and/or a modern Prophet like unto Moses..... would be some sort of
anti-Christ/ anti- Messiah / anti- Moshiach.

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=288721&page=27&p=1066904999#post1066904999

Thread: Rebuilding of Jerusalem Third Temple may be least expensive way to stabilize climate?

Jeannette said: ↑

The third temple will be the home of the anti christ. He will be brilliant and a great philanthropist. ..and the most charismatic man that ever lived. He will be looked upon as a saviour by all the faiths in the world... and he will also be the culmination of all evil.

The temple will be built before him or he will build it, I'm not sure. What I do believe is that our globalist economic system and the world order of the 'elites' are the perfect venue for the anti christ... I expect his advent shortly.

As for the Second Coming, I don't know. The world from what I gather will not end until 2492. ..but I might be wrong.

Okay, okay! I believe in prophecies.
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ziggyfish · Dec 22, 2016

DennisTate said: ↑

Actually I am a Christian Universalist with Hebraic Roots who
is open to the possibility that the Prophet Muhammad, (peace be upon him),
may have had either a near death experience, or an out of the body experience, or at least
an open vision of heaven........
and if I remember correctly of hell as well.

Prophets are still human beings... and prophets....
make errors and misunderstand their own visions to at least some degree....
and they certainly get the wrong impression regarding the full meaning of the
words of other prophets.

For example.... The Apostle Paul.... .was amazing... but he was far more influenced by
the Rabbinic ideas on women's role in society than Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus was.

An interesting role is coming up that many gifted actors should soon begin to plan for.......
IF.... a Christian or Jew can be deceived into thinking that the being of light of NDE fame
is usually a fallen angel impersonating the Messiah / Moshiach or HaShem .....THEN....
it will be no surprise if they could also come to believe that the final Elijah and/ or Moshiach ben Ephrayim / Yosef/
Messiah son of Joseph..... and/or a modern Prophet like unto Moses..... would be some sort of
anti-Christ/ anti- Messiah / anti- Moshiach.

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=288721&page=27&p=1066904999#post1066904999

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Yep, very much Islamic.

Thehumankind · Dec 22, 2016

Heaven Next, my angel escorted me to heaven passing through a big dazzling white tunnel. I never experienced this much peace and joy in my life. Then immediately heaven opened up and I heard the most delightful music, which I never heard before. The angels were singing and praising God. I saw all the saints, especially the Blessed Mother and St. Joseph, and many dedicated holy Bishops and priests who were shining like stars. And when I appeared before the Lord, Jesus told me: I want you to go back to the world. In your second life, you will be an instrument of peace and healing to My people. You will walk in a foreign land and you will speak in a foreign tongue. Everything is possible for you with My grace.. After these words, the Blessed Mother told me: Do whatever He tells you. I will help you in your ministries. Words can not express the beauty of heaven.. There we find so much peace and happiness, which exceed a million times our imagination. Our Lord is far more beautiful than any image can convey. His face is radiant and luminous and more beautiful than a thousand rising suns. The pictures we see in the world are only a shadow of His magnificence.. The Blessed Mother was next to Jesus; She was so beautiful and radiant. None of the images we see in this world can compare with Her real beauty. Heaven is our real home; we are all created to reach heaven and enjoy God forever. Then, I came back to the world with my angel.

full story here.
http://www.courageouspriest.com/priest-sees-bishops-priests-heaven-hell-death-experience

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Is the being of light, G-d or Satan?

He is HaShem/ the G-d of Abraham/ YHWH.

He is Messiah Yeshua - Jesus in his glorified form.

He is Satan appearing as an angel of light.

If there is a LIFE REVIEW... then it is G-d.

I really am not sure but I am researching this.

Who we meet depends on if we are sincerely religious?

Near death experiences are a halucination caused by brain chemical reactions.

Maybe it is connected to memories of lights in delivery room from birth.

The being of light is the most ancient version of yourself.

The being of light is the Elohim who formed Adam and Eve.

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He is Satan appearing as an angel of light.

If there is a LIFE REVIEW... then it is G-d.

I really am not sure but I am researching this.

Who we meet depends on if we are sincerely religious?

Near death experiences are a halucination caused by brain chemical reactions.

Maybe it is connected to memories of lights in delivery room from birth.

The being of light is the most ancient version of yourself.

The being of light is the Elohim who formed Adam and Eve.

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