The Book of Revelation Unlocked

1) Each quote is compatible with History, jives with what Science tells us is true today, and fit inside each verse, showing all things stated are in context.
You may not "like" what the verse mean as explained inside the brackets, but you, too, have ideas which you prefer instead.

2) No one can understand Reality unless they use the Truth as Jesus said.
"The Truth will set us free" of ignorance about scripture.

 

Your debating g on a thread about revelations. If you do not consider the Bible God inspired, why are you here?

 

I've convinced many of them, because that's who this message is for. It's simply not for you. I couldn't care less if you want to believe or not.

Also, yes, many of them are navigating here and they read all of my posts, but very few post themselves in the Religion forum because they simply don't have the patience to deal with sticks in the mud.

I didn't say their lives would be similar. I said they will eventually all believe in Jesus Christ - including you. However, in the next era, not everyone will be treated the same. Even with that said, you will learn to like it, and I'm being nice in the way I'm wording myself.

 

The fact is that most Jews do not descend from Khazars.

Not only that, but we have proven that the Khazars were descended from Israelites.
They were an offshoot from the Ten Lost Tribes.

The Assyrians exiled Israelites to the northern regions of the Assyrian Empire. The Assyrians were conquered by the Babylonians and Medes.
In the meantime the exiled Israelites had become associated with the Scythians who also at that time dwelt in the Middle East.
The Scythians and related peoples are referred to as Sons of Gomer in the Bible. The union between the Scythians and Israelites is referred to in the Book of Hosea (chs. 1 and 2) where the Ten Tribes in Exile are identified as Children of the loose woman called Gomer.
The Scythians were driven from the Middle East into Southern Russia. From there in stages they moved to the west becoming the so-called Barbarians who invaded Europe. The Scythians in effect became Anglo-Saxons, Vikings, and related peoples and moved to Western Europe.
The Khazars were part of these peoples but had remained behind and converted to Judaism.

http://www.britam.org/KhazarsTenTribes.html

 

..."and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days" which is 45 "days" more than the 1290 "days."

1335-1290 = 45

 

Clearly, this event is testified by Paul and those soldiers who were there. Most of the bible is inspired through men. This is why it is faith.

 

The oldest texts say the number was actually 616, and hence what you say may need reservation.
Bu the name is a man's name, which represents the Beast, though:


18 Here is wisdom.
Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six, (or 616 in oldest Bibles).

 

Evidently more than you. You go blindly into things without thinking and then dismiss any correction with 'who cares'.

The Jews, while loathing the Roman rule, knew very what would happen if they rebelled. If you read the history of the war with Rome you will see that most of the population were forced into fighting by the Sicarii. They knew, as did Jesus, what was going to happen if they rebelled. It doesn't take a genius to see that. The final defeat would be the capital - Jerusalem - where the Temple dwelt. In an uprising like this the Romans would consider victory by taking this capital and destroying what it meant to the Jews.

Why do you think it was important in WWII for the Allies to take the German capital - Berlin. Why did Hitler spend so much time trying to flatten London. Why did the Allies bother to take Baghdad.

Jesus knew the ruthlessness of the Romans and foresaw what would happen. It wasn't prophecy, it was common sense.

Long before WWII Churchill warned of letting Germany re-arm and Britain not doing so. He wasn't a prophet. He could see what Hitler was up to and knew with foresight what was going to happen through common sense.

Use your brains and think things through.

How then did the Jews - supposedly in exile, enslaved or killed according to you - manage to gather an army and fight the Romans in 132AD.

The fact is that it was the Jewish elite and rulers who suffered exile in 70AD.

After being defeated in 135AD much of Judea was destroyed by the Romans, many executions and enslavements when the Romans sold people rather than use them as slaves themselves. (Exceptions occurred).

Many Jews remained in Palestine but were exiled in the fact that their homeland and independence as a nation was taken away. They were stateless. There has always been Jews in Palestine - but that is another story.



And why should the Jews not go north? If they were going to be killed by the Romans why send them into exile.
The Romans didn't care where they went as long as they caused no trouble. The reason for exiling was to split them into groups, less able to cause problems. You have only to read history to understand that.

We know Judaism expanded rapidly after 200CE and around 4-500 CE Jews were allowed to become Roman citizens.

I haven't followed the Edomite debate. I just wonder how Edomites can be of European descent when Edom was the kingdom S.E of Palestine.

 

Yes,...
I have already said the same thing before.
The two witnesses are the Old Testament and the New Testament, of which Revelation is a part.

Rev. 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, (the Old Testament :[Psa 19:7; The law] and the New Testament: [Psa 19:7; the testimony]), and they shall prophesy: a thousand two hundred and threescore days, (1260 years, [688 + 1260 = 1948, from the building of the Dome of the Rock in 688 AD, that Abomination of Desolation: [Dan 12:11], until 1948 AD, the re-establishment of Israel: [Rev 12:6]), clothed in sackcloth (of Scripture).

 

Protestantism did not exist until after Martin Luther in the 1500's.

What are these twelve basic denominations other than Catholic/Orthodox/Protestant ... with a possible 4th being the fundamentalist Pentacostal/Evangelicals.

 

You don't know me, how do you know the message isn't for me?

I didn't say they'd be treated similar, I said, you said, they'd get similar eternal lives. IE, somewhere in heave is how I think you stated it. No one will be in the biblical/revelation hell.
I will learn to like it, in other words, no free will.

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The soldiers saw or heard nothing. Except what Paul/Saul the persecutor told them. And were they not Saul's soldiers? Off to do persecuting?
The only source in the world that says the vision was of Jesus is Paul. Can not be verified by any other entity in the universe.
The fact he contradicts Jesus' teachings should raise a red flag.

Which verses in the bible have Sauls soldiers confirming what they saw/heard?

Of course it's faith, but whoa to those who preach false teachings. So one needs to be sure and not just rely on faith or you could end up with a false teacher.

 

There were large Jewish populations in Alexandria Egypt, Damascus, Rome and Anatolia long before the birth of Christ or any exile. Edomites weren't European.. they were Semites.... What is he inventing now?

 

Interesting that you bring this up.

In Rev 17:3, the same idea as we see in Dan 7 is restated, wherein the Hebrew written book we now call Revelation lists the same 10 kingdoms, too.
But in it, it does not show the eleventh (11th) horn which is the Ottoman Muslim Empire.

What we can assume from this list is that twelve (12) kingdoms are implied, which suggests the Pan-American Global Society of today:

Rev. 17:3 So he carried me away (in the spirit of thought), into the wilderness (of my imagination) and I saw (as if) a woman, ...



.... (those who have Institutionized a system of sexual seduction into a failed matrimony), sit upon a scarlet coloured beast (of a brazen and corrupt sexually misdirected economic system: [Dan 3:1-5]), full of names of (Pagan) blasphemy, having seven heads:
(which existed in (1) Egypt, (2) Assyria, (3) Babylon, (4) Persia/Mede, (5) Greece, (6) Rome (7) the whole of Western Culture to follow)...



... having ten horns upon these seven heads:

(1. Undivided Empire; capital Rome: [305 AD],

2. Western Roman Empire: (Romulus Augustus): [to 476 AD],

3. Eastern Roman: Byzantine Empire, [1453 AD]

4. Charlemagne, [800 - 1000 AD]

5. Holy Roman Empire, [1200 AD-1492 AD]

6. Italy, [Renaissance, 16th century]

7. Spain, [17th century]

8. France, [18th-19th Century]

9. Britain, [19th-20th century]

10. Nazi Germany, [20th century])


11. Islam, represented by the Ottoman Empire
12. Pan American Global Economic system

 

1) You are ignoring the very first protestation by the Greek Orthodox Church in 1054 AD.

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Now, I have a choice here. I can either shift and filter through that mess you call a reply, or I can debunk the whole thing with a single sentence.... Hmmm.... How about we debunk your little story.
Source: http://www.africaresource.com/rasta...of-rome-the-greatest-emperor-of-ancient-rome/

Now, read that source and learn some history about Rome and the people who conquered it in 190 - 193 AD.

As for the Edomite debate. The Edom stands for "Red" - a nickname given to Esau based on the like of red meat. Esau was born red, because his blood shown through his skin. This is the very definition of a white person.

Very few white people actually know where the term "caucasian" came from. It's a term that originate from those who originated in the Caucasus mountains. Edomites were cave dwellers who lived in the mountains of Seir before they were banished north by the moors.

 

Cupid Dave. Click this link:
http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/leak...secret-plan-for-reverse-migration-to-ukraine/

Give up.

So, you are that kid with the glasses trying to show, even people on the street, your evil bible.

Why would he need the Holy Spirit when God conversed directly with him in physical form?

You're lost, Cupid Dave. Hopelessly lost.

 

Lable the Orthodox what you will but this does not help your case. The main divisions of Christianity are "Orthodox-Protestant-Catholic"

Listing off a bunch of protestant denominations does not count as these are sub-groups of Protestantism (Pentacostals being a possible exception)

That and your list leaves out other Christian denominations such as Coptic Christians.

 

Jewish History

Modern Descendants of Esau

The verse in Genesis (25:30) informs us that Esau himself was called Edom:
“And Esau said to Jacob: ‘Pour me some of that red stuff because I’m tired’ – therefore he called him Edom”

Later in Genesis (36:9) the Torah tells us that Esau was the ‘Father’ of the Nation of Edom:
“These are the generations of Esau, the Father of Edom”

Now it is clear from the Talmud and other sources that the Romans are viewed as descendants of Esau; when Rebecca was informed that she would have twins, G-d says to her:
“There are two nations in your womb”

http://www.jewishanswers.org/ask-the-rabbi-category/jewish-history/post-biblical-history/?p=2483

 

Who knows?

 

What's your nationality?

I will repeat myself, but you didn't understand what I said.
I said, "I didn't say their lives would be similar. I said they will eventually all believe in Jesus Christ - including you. However, in the next era, not everyone will be treated the same. Even with that said, you will learn to like it, and I'm being nice in the way I'm wording myself."

 

Nope... the Edomites were Arabs.. Semites... not European.

 

The Edomites are also Semites.
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic_people

No, Margot. Europeans are Semites too.

Those of European descent are Edomites whether you like it or not.

 

Truth is the holy spirit.
God can speak with people who deny what he says, because the holy spirit is not inside them.

Jesus called them the sons of the devil didn't he?
Abraham met with God, too, but Jesus told us that before Abraham, he existed.

I remind you that Truth was the word, and the word Truth was with the Reality we call god.
And Truth was god, the trinity which is the image of Reality.

 

Well, I obviously am going to disagree quite a bit, but I do appreciate all of the effort you made in putting this together and sharing it with everyone.

I haven't gotten very far into it yet, and I'm not going to sit here and try to pick everything apart -- this is obviously your faith, so picking apart every interpretation is both unwise and unproductive. I will say that I had to pause quite a bit at your explanation of the first few chapters. The author clearly states that this book is a letter that he is writing to 7 churches, which he treats as contemporary churches. Your interpretation is that these letters are actually to "7 divisions of Israel" and "they do not represent gentiles". The author, on the other hand, tells us he is writing to Christian churches in 7 different areas of Asia: Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea. He mentions that two of these churches had battled against the doctrines of the Nicolaitans, which were a 1st century heretical group.

He couldn't more obviously be referring to 1st century Christian groups that are no longer existent. The intended audience is no more. Hence, I think it is a mistake, sometimes a potentially lethal mistake, for any modern reader to try to apply Revelation to modern times. I'm sure we are going to soon hear about "double fulfillment": the idea that these prophecies were about those 1st century churches, but also about modern churches. I understand many people take that as an article of faith. It's also a way to escape from failed prophecies. Just understand that those who do not share your faith will obviously not be persuaded by such interpretations.

 

The letters were written to the 7 angels that represent those churches, and not to the churches themselves. So, what do you suppose that means? The bible doesn't contradict itself. Jesus said in Matthew 15:24, "He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel."", so why would Jesus write to the gentiles in Turkey?