The Climate Resistance

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  1. Jack Hays

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    Despite scant funding and frequent official frowns, a "climate resistance" movement is forming to challenge over-hyped global warming orthodoxy.

    Former Obama-Biden federal scientist Dr. Steve Koonin declares his climate dissent
    Charles Rotter

    For background, here is an article by Dr. Koonin we published here.

    ". . . The reports continue to paint a demonstrably deficient picture of the science. The scientific community needs to fix that, both to better inform the decision makers and also to bolster the integrity of the people and institutions that produce the reports. A red team exercise would go a long way toward that end."
     
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    It's time for the warmist fanatics to be called out as the moral cripples they are.
    Michael Shellenberger Eviscerates Peter Gleick
    Charles Rotter
    In Apocalypse Never, I point to a pattern. Malthusians raise the alarm about a resource or environmental problems and then attack the obvious technical solutions. Malthus had to attack birth…
     
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    Here's another volley from the climate resistance.
    Geologist’s New Book: Climate Change “Natural”… “Still An Archaic Fear Of Natural Weather Phenomena”
    By P Gosselin on 2. June 2021

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    New book by geology researcher says climate change is natural, little to do with CO2. Available at Amazon.

    The following discussion of climate change is based on the current emotional, irrational ideological and scientifically closed discussion and reporting, as well as the continuous mixing with topics of environmental protection. The causes of the constant climate change are very complex and cannot be explained with only one parameter, like the carbon dioxide concentration (CO2) in the atmosphere. . . . .
     
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    One of the issues in climate alarmism is the use of the RCP 8.5 climate model as business as usual. It is the worst case/least likely scenario.
     
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    The climate resistance fights back regardless of the obstacles.
    Fact Checking the Fact Checkers
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    This is a re-post from the CO2 Coalition, here. Re-posted with permission. [Ed. Note] The number of opinion pieces disguised as “Fact Checks,” and the use of them to censor…

    ". . . On Earth Day this year, the Washington Times published an op-ed that I wrote titled “There is no climate emergency – We love CO2 and so should you.” Not long after publication, the paper’s Facebook post on the commentary was labeled “false and misleading” and their ad for it was rejected. This was based on a lengthy “fact-check” titled Washington Times presents list of false and misleading statements about the impacts of CO2 and climate change by Climate Feedback (CF). It was composed by eight scientists and upon detailed review of their “fact-check,” it became clear why they were not labeled “experts.”

    In order to rebut this review, I asked six of the top experts in the world in various fields related to climate change to assess the statements by the Climate Feedback reviewers for accuracy and validity. All the scientists I consulted are members of the CO2 Coalition, a non-profit scientific coalition based in Arlington, Va. All agree that there is no man-made climate emergency. . . . "
     
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    The Swiss are leading the Resistance.
    Swiss "Climate" Referendum: More Intrusion Of Reality Into The Climate Debate
    June 14, 2021/ Francis Menton

    • To my list of examples of reality intruding into the utopian dreams of climate cultists, add the results of yesterday’s referendum in Switzerland. The headline at Reuters is “Swiss reject law to help country meet Paris carbon emissions goal.”

    • It seems that the Swiss parliament, after multiple years of considering and debating various proposals, had finally passed a package of measures intended to “save the planet,” or at least to push the Swiss people into achieving a Paris agreement goal of 50% emissions reduction (from 1990 levels) by 2030.

    • As usual with these things, the entire strategy consisted of forcing the Swiss people to atone for their sins of prosperity by becoming poorer, in the form of higher prices for fossil fuels and airline tickets and forced restrictions on building heat and automobiles.
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    Since the "climate resistance" gets all the facts wrong, why stop laughing at them?

    As the saying goes, "They laughed at Copernicus, but they also laughed at Bozo."

    You guys are Bozo.
     
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    Ah. Another one who is afraid.
     
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    You post a trolling post with insults and no effort for a mature counterpoint to the article.

    Thus you struck out and walked back with your head down to the bench with NOTHING to show for......

    You posted NOTHING of value to the discussion.

    Nothing!

    :flowerpot:
     
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    The Resistance is getting their message out.
    Japan’s Canon Institute For Global Studies (CIGS) Presents New Working Paper On Climate Science Data Inconsistencies
    By P Gosselin on 15. June 2021

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    Statistical data alterations, huge data gaps and dissenting experts are among the problems plaguing climate science, new Japanese CIGS working paper highlights.

    In November 2019, the Canon Institute for Global Studies (CIGS) released a working paper noting that natural factors are also very much at work when it comes to climate change.

    Now CIGS has added another.

    New working paper

    A new working paper has been released, in Japanese – authored by KiryeNet – and it reports that climate change goes well beyond one trace gas running the climate show and that there are a number of data inconsistencies and sloppiness in climate science and computing trends. . . .
     
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    Quite the contary. You're crying and trolling because I ripped apart your main point with such ease.

    The point of this thread is that since people are laughing at deniers, it shows they must be right, and that everyone laughing at them must be evil and afraid of them.

    I pointed out that people laughed at Bozo too, thus destroying your point.

    Care to address the point? Yeah right. Like you ever address a point. Trolling, crying and propaganda dumps are all you're capable of. So, how will you run this time?
     
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    Sorry, but your puerile attempt to derail this thread will not succeed.
     
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    That's because the Climate Marxists are frauds, as marxism generally is.

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    Few things are more enjoyable than watching hockey stick fraud, Mann, lose in court.

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    Thus sayeth the grand inquisitor.....
     
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    Dr. Mann is a THREE times loser!

    He actually didn't suffer from alleged defamation anyway as he published books, win awards and got a lot of money after the harmless statements. The mann has very thin skin!

    Doesn't sound like a man suffering to me.
     
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    My take is that this is a conflict between scientific inquiry versus massive self-interested political pressure. The huge partisan advantage of doom'n'gloom funnels an enormous funding advantage to those who'd parrot the party line, leaving the sane majority drowned out by a well-funded noise machine.

    This may be a turning point in human evolution, whether honest truth can stand up to personal advantage.
     
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    Judith Curry does not say, "Its all a hoax". She has not published over 140 scientific books. She gets a fair amount of media coverage compared
    with other atmospheric and climate scientists.

    There is no hockey stick fraud nor has there ever been any hockey stick fraud.

    Wikipedia - Judith Curry

    "Social scientists who have studied Curry's position on climate change have described it as "neo-skepticism", in that her current position includes certain features of denialism: On the one hand, she accepts that the planet is warming, that human-generated greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide cause warming, and that the plausible worst-case scenario is potentially catastrophic, but on the other hand, she also proposes that the rate of warming is slower than climate models have projected, emphasizes her evaluation of the uncertainty in the climate prediction models, and questions whether climate change mitigation is affordable.[4] Despite the broad consensus among climate scientists that climate change requires urgent action, Curry has testified to the United States Congress that, in her opinion, there is so much uncertainty about natural climate variation that trying to reduce emissions may be pointless.[5]"

    "Curry co-authored Thermodynamics of Atmospheres and Oceans (1999), and co-edited Encyclopedia of Atmospheric Sciences (2002). She has published over 130 scientific peer-reviewed papers.[14]"

    Interview: Climate Change – A Different Perspective with Judith Curry | Climate Etc.
    Judith Curry: Well, there is almost certainly a signal of manmade emissions the earth climate. All other things being equal, it’s warmer than it would otherwise be.

    Wikipedia - Hockey stick graph
    Hockey stick graph - Wikipedia

    "More than two dozen reconstructions, using various statistical methods and combinations of proxy records, support the broad consensus shown in the original 1998 hockey-stick graph, with variations in how flat the pre-20th century "shaft" appears.[12][13] The 2007 IPCC Fourth Assessment Report cited 14 reconstructions, 10 of which covered 1,000 years or longer, to support its strengthened conclusion that it was likely that Northern Hemisphere temperatures during the 20th century were the highest in at least the past 1,300 years.[14] Further reconstructions, including Mann et al. 2008 and PAGES 2k Consortium 2013, have supported these general conclusions."
     
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    Yes, and . . . ?
    Curry's complaint has never been about basic GHG theory. It has been about (lack of) integrity and over-hyped claims.
    As for the Hockey Stick, it has only been replicated by replicating the original's errors.
     
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