The death of eternal truths and the new Paganism

“There are no facts, only interpretations.” ~ Friedrich Nietzsche.

 

You intimated you live in fear but the rest is a little fuzzy. What are the "eternal truths" that need defended from the pagans and what "doctrines" control people?

 

By the "doctrines" do you mean separation of church and state, making decisions based on scientific evidence rather than faith? That is frightening?

 

Noone is trying to replace religion with a religion that worships science. Science is a proven fact, not something to be worshipped. We use science. It is not a god. Faith and confidence? Faith is a belief in something without proof that it is real. You have confidence in that? And if Ben Shapiro cannot see the reality of global warming then I think he needs to rethink. If he thinks Global warming is the same as climate change he should study a bit more. We have always had climate change when the earth moves on its axis over centuries round the sun. Global warming only occurs when special circumstances occur. One of those secial occurences is now. Global warming occurs when carbon dioxide (CO2) and other air pollutants and greenhouse gases collect in the atmosphere and absorb sunlight and solar radiation that have bounced off the earths surface. Normally, this radiation would escape into space but these pollutants, which can last for years to centuries in the atmosphere, trap the heat and cause the planet to get hotter. It has occurred down the ages when various incidents have occurred that have covered the earth preventing the heat from escaping.

And being secular is any worse that what religion is doing to the people on earth right now. Try reading the news from the Middle East.

 

The Jefferson Foundation has no such letter in its archives. As for Franklins quote, the second part creates the opposite meaning of the first alone.
"The Way to see by Faith is to shut the Eye of Reason: The Morning Daylight appears plainer when you put out your Candle.“
In other words, reason is incongruous with and not a substitute for faith. Or, reason does not make the dawn.

 

I agree with Shapiro about God and freedom. But it's odd to hear Shapiro who is a Jew, quote a Pope, who is arguably the head of traditional Christianity. You know things are getting bad when a Jew allies with a Christian for the sake of the future in a land already dedicated to freedom.

 

Science is not a proven fact, it's only those ideas that happen to make the most sense at the moment [and that's the ideal]. COVID is the poster child for how wrong "The Science" can be.

In the end, it's all wrong because whatever is thought to be true today will eventually be disproved as more knowledge is accumulated going forward.

 

Little in science will be disproved but improved upon. According to you Penicillin is just an idea. Medicine is just an idea etc. etc. Tell the people that have benefitted from these things that they were just an idea. Medicine, science is in its infancy. Unfortunately it seems the creator god isn't around to improve our knowledge of himself.

 

Sure they are ...

 

This isn't a letter surely. Isn't it from his book 'Poor Richards Almana.'

 

The only left wing gathering in a sixty years that didn't become a riot. And the only right wing gathering that did. Well ain't that some honesty. I guess ya'll get to go to heaven now.

 

Perhaps you should read a bit about the history of medicine and have a good laugh at all the bizarre practices that were thought to be "solid" at the time. It's interesting how people from any era believe that they live in a time where everything is pretty close to as good as it gets. Fifty years from now [or maybe a hundred] folks won't believe that we are doing much of what passes for "state-of-the-art" care today.

Remember, it wasn't too long ago that physicians were drilling holes in people's skulls in order to allow the evil spirits to escape. I am sure shock therapy [as well as many pharmaceutical remedies] will be seen in the same light.

 

Paganism refers to a group of religions, or religious beliefs & practices. Your (and your source's) misuse of words, automatically discredits this thread. Better luck, using the right words, next time.

 

But that wasn't science. That's ignorance of the truth. Medicine goes back nearly 3000 years to the Egyptians who advanced as far as they could without modern technology and instruments. They recognised the workings of much of the body, performed simple operations, recognised diseases such as cancer, and named it in the Egyptian word for carcinoma. Some knowledge of science and other subjects propogated by the Greeks actually comes from Egypt. Many Greek scholars went to Egypt to study Egyptian teachings and practises like medicine. This knowledge was lost for centuries as conditions did not allow it to proceed. Modern medicine progresses because we have the ability to create tools, use nature, 'invent' antibiotices in modern facilities. Some thing lacking in the past. I'm sure pharmaceutical remedies will be considered as primitive. Unlike drilling a hole they will be seen as a start of real medicine. On the other hand some of our medicine has derived from old fashioned cures found in nature.

 

the Christian Taliban on the right are scary, Theocracies are evil

 

So you are down with Shapiro.....Human beings have sussed out eternal truths over the course of millennia. Maybe you can explain, since Mr. double x Jefferson can not, what are eternal truths? How does one reinforce the moorings of those eternal truths and not tolerate pluralism in a large diverse population?

 

let's hope modern religions do not destroy all we have learned and make us start over again

 

where do new age conservatives like the spiritualist and astrological reagans fit in? i know that you like them much better than the legitimately born again carters.

 

The scientific method has been around for two or three centuries and used spottily by medicine, but the consistency has grown over the last one hundred years and now it is the standard. The good doctor may have little respect for current medical practices comparing them to trepanning of the past which means he has little respect for the scientific method. That being said not all of healthcare has embraced the scientific method; see homeopathy and chiropracy.

 

Perhaps if you understood how little is truly known about how the body and its systems function, you might more accurately locate our era at a more appropriate juncture on the knowledge timeline. Suffice to say, very little is known.

So I guess you could say that this isn't science either if you believe that science deals with the truth. Again, science is the best guess [at best]. And many [if not in most cases] nobody has a clue as to why things work [although there are always hypotheses].

Keep in mind that most so-called experts are full of sh*t. COVID demonstrated how warped the medical community could become [for all kinds of reasons that apply in regular times, as well]. The woke stuff going on in medicine is beyond belief. Things aren't all nice and neat the way institutions like to present themselves, as it seems like people sell-out for barely more than a dollar anymore.

 

It's self evident. It means do the right thing.

 

He quoted a letter, undermining Christianity, supposedly from Jefferson which isn't in his official archives. And he quoted a portion of a Franklin saying, leaving off the part that gives its true meaning. These misquotes are bandied about by Atheists to discredit Christianity. Yes, I believe the Franklin quote is from Poor Richards Almanac.

 

Certainly we are in a timeline with regard to medicine but I disagree we don't know how the body works. We know enough to diagnose illnesses and to treat them. But we do not know sufficient about the body's most important organ - the brain. Science is the result of test and trial.

 

Take it from somebody who has been doing it for over forty years. Most of what works is discovered by trial and error. And although it is known that it works, it is not necessarily known why it works.

Mind and body are [essentially] the same so if you don't understand how the mind works, you really don't understand how the body works.

The body is incredibly complex and the mind is unfathomable.

 

No, you seem to not know what Shapiro is talking about either. The subjective just "do the right thing" is what he is complaining about. He wants everyone to get back to the mysterious eternal truths, whatever they are.