The disorienting, and dangerous, appropriation of language.

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  1. Doofenshmirtz

    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    he had a “Save the Planet” sticker on the private jet!
     
  2. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You mean aside from Trump extorting Zelensky over withholding arms if he didn't help Trump push propaganda about Joe Biden?
     
  3. ToughTalk

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    Did Putin start any wars under trump? Yes or no?
     
  4. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This entire video is an example a disorienting distortion of reality. IOW, a crock of shyte leaving the undiscerning listener (MAGA nuts) with a completely twisted view of the truth.



    See post #88.
     
  5. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Witnesses in a trial are sometimes confined to yes or no answers. I am not. What you're suggesting is Trump would have taken military action against Putin for invading Ukraine even as he criticizes Biden for helping them? Time to work on your logic.

    Bottom line, you have no evidence to offer that Putin did not invade Ukraine because Trump was prez. All you have is your speculative belief.
     
  6. ToughTalk

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    Oh I've been very clear with my logic.

    Biden is an extension of the Obama administration in Putin's eyes the DNC has been meddling with Ukrainian leadership trying to implant a pro Western leader in Ukraine Putin doesn't like that.

    On top of that Putin has 50 years of history in predicting how Biden would react to his invading of Ukraine. With Trump he only had four. And even after 4 years of trump leadership nobody knows how Trump would react to Putin invading Ukraine and that makes it a huge gamble in comparison. Because again we're talking about the world's strongest military.

    And the last point here is Trump actually had a decent enough relationship with Putin so much so that Putin didn't feel threatened.

    And that's a good thing because once again as much as you would love to you cannot tell other countries how to govern you can't force them to remove the leadership. That's called nation building and we suck at it and it's why over half of the world right now doesn't like us very much.

    So no Putin doesn't invade Ukraine if Trump's in office it just doesn't happen. Because whether you want to admit it or not it's better to have the fat cow in charge of Germany laughing at you while at the same time you have decent enough relations with the dictators of the world to the point that you don't have to worry about going to war with them.

    Your DNC foreign policies have helped to create another endless war and nothing good has come of it so far.

    But this is what I'd like to call causality, cause and effect something that progresses just seem to be alien to.

    It's like the situation at the border. You can't run on a platform talking about pathways to citizenship and come one come all type of mantra and not expect people to start flooding the borders once you get into office which is exactly what we saw happen. You have to have very stern and strong messaging with regards to people who are trying to cross illegally. And there must be some strong punishment of the like that the incentivizes people in choosing to get smuggled and indebted to the *******n Mexican cartels down there.

    But trying to explain causality to a progressive is again an act of futility.

    Your policies just don't work their s*** we're living it it's a ******n nightmare and it's time for a change
     
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  7. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The Ukrainian people already put a pro-Western leader in charge. The 2014 Revolution of Dignity was about removing a Putin puppet because he would not comply with pro-Western sentiment. Poof.......goes your premise up in smoke.
     
  8. ToughTalk

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    And that happened under which administration again?

    I'm pretty sure you are aware of a phone call?

    With the Biden Obama administration implanting a pro western leader in Ukraine I'm sure Putin being paranoid is now wondering what else they are going to put inside of Ukraine now that Biden was re elected.

    Poof. Goes your counter argument
     
  9. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You apparently know nothing of Ukraine's history recent history. The Ukrainian people voted in two pro-Western presidents, Petro Poroshenko and then Zelensky. Your argument is based on a fallacy.
     
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    Double speak?

    Hate to tell you, but Jack Hays posts bunches of scientific papers and reports over in the Enviroment section that refute the current panic mongering. Afraid Gutfeld's right.

    And Jack isn't a Trump supporter and he might not even know who Gutfeld is.

    Looks like you're just wrong.

    Again.
     
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    he does wear more makeup then a teenage girl though...
     

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