The experts don't accept 9-11 Truth

Discussion in '9/11' started by Ronstar, Dec 3, 2013.

You are viewing posts in the Conspiracy Theory forum. PF does not allow misinformation. However, please note that posts could occasionally contain content in violation of our policies prior to our staff intervening.

  1. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2013
    Messages:
    93,457
    Likes Received:
    14,675
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The following associations and organizations all feel that the ideas esposed by 9-11 Truth regarding the collapses of the World Trace Center towers, are crap:

    the Structural Engineers Institute of the American Society of Civil Engineers

    American Institute of Steel Construction

    American Concrete Institute

    the National Fire Protection Association

    Society of Fire Protection Engineers

    National Institute of Standards and Technology

    Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat

    Structural Engineers Association of New York



    these are the experts.
     
  2. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2013
    Messages:
    93,457
    Likes Received:
    14,675
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The experts are clear as day: The WTC towers collapsed due to impact damage, fire, weakened steel, and gravity.
     
  3. Brother Jonathan

    Brother Jonathan Banned

    Joined:
    Nov 16, 2013
    Messages:
    1,610
    Likes Received:
    4
    Trophy Points:
    0
    I went to each of their websites and found no recent papers from any of them that back up your claim. Can you link to their current stance on 9/11 truth?

    New evidence was recently found that NIST lied in their report on Building 7 when they claimed that column 79, the first column that they claim failed, was unrestrained when in fact it was restrained which invalidates NIST's entire theory of WTC 7 building collapse. Any paper you present should be within the last year or so. Link please.
     
  4. Mike12

    Mike12 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2012
    Messages:
    4,563
    Likes Received:
    2,891
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Truthers spend a lot of time claiming they have facts and evidence but all of their bogus claims have been shown to be false, time and time again. There is good reason that no matter how hard they try, they can't convince the world that 09/11 was a conspiracy; the scientific community doesn't even take them seriously. All they do is convince themselves of a conspiracy.

    I have asked this question and seldom do they take it head on - Why did our government decide to bring down a US landmark like the Twin Towers and kill 3,000 Americans? There really is no sane answer to this question.
     
  5. Wizard From Oz

    Wizard From Oz Banned at Members Request

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2008
    Messages:
    9,676
    Likes Received:
    62
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Soooooooooo if I read your post right, the US should start a war on gravity ;)

    - - - Updated - - -

    Why - regardless if a paper was written a month after the event or 5 years or 12 years it makes no difference. Mechanical engineering and physics have not changed in that time. You are simply creating a dodge to their opinion and we all know it
     
  6. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2013
    Messages:
    93,457
    Likes Received:
    14,675
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Newton's Laws are 326 years old.

    got anything more recent?

    ;)
     
  7. Brother Jonathan

    Brother Jonathan Banned

    Joined:
    Nov 16, 2013
    Messages:
    1,610
    Likes Received:
    4
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Newton's laws are not man made laws. Newton observed nature and wrote down how objects behave in nature. His laws of motion have been proven right for 326 years. Feel free to prove him wrong if you can.
     
  8. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2013
    Messages:
    93,457
    Likes Received:
    14,675
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The real experts in the fields of engineering and architecture are clear:

    9-11 Truth is one big fat FAIL
     
  9. Wizard From Oz

    Wizard From Oz Banned at Members Request

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2008
    Messages:
    9,676
    Likes Received:
    62
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Here you go

    http://physics.ucr.edu/~wudka/Physics7/Notes_www/node98.html
     
  10. Hannibal

    Hannibal New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2009
    Messages:
    10,624
    Likes Received:
    13
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Per your own standards: provide proof NIST made the claim, then prove it wrong. Finally, provide evidence that NIST made the claim knowing that it was wrong. Cite your sources.
     
  11. Brother Jonathan

    Brother Jonathan Banned

    Joined:
    Nov 16, 2013
    Messages:
    1,610
    Likes Received:
    4
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Here is the why: 9/11 Pentagon Attack - Behind the Smoke Curtain - Barbara Honegger

    Truther claims have not been shown to be false, time and time again. There is a lot of denial going on but many claims of the truthers are solid truth. The scientific community is taking truthers serious worldwide.
     
  12. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2013
    Messages:
    93,457
    Likes Received:
    14,675
    Trophy Points:
    113
    there is no evidence of any explosives at the WTC towers.

    no physical evidence whatsoever.

    this is one example of a 9-11 Truth claim that is a massive FAIL
     
  13. Perilica grad Ameriku

    Perilica grad Ameriku Banned

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2013
    Messages:
    662
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Even truthers consider Honegger a "a comet-riding psychic moonbat in the employ of the US military pushing among the worst 9/11 theories."

    http://frustratingfraud.blogspot.com/2006/12/barbara-psychic-munchkin.html
     
  14. Brother Jonathan

    Brother Jonathan Banned

    Joined:
    Nov 16, 2013
    Messages:
    1,610
    Likes Received:
    4
    Trophy Points:
    0
    That debunker website is old news from 2006. Honegger gave a speech in January 2013 and it was well received. I see that you are still stuck on ridicule in an attempt to discredit the messenger rather than listen to the message.
     
  15. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2013
    Messages:
    93,457
    Likes Received:
    14,675
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The fact is, the REAL experts think 9-11 Truth is silly.
     
  16. Perilica grad Ameriku

    Perilica grad Ameriku Banned

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2013
    Messages:
    662
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    0
    That's not a debunker website. It is a truther website. And Honegger has not managed to go back in time and undo the decades of insane moonbattery that render her opinions on most subjects worthy of little more than a face palm.

    Not by anybody who was not already well down the rabbit hole of truther credulity.

    As Thomas Jefferson wrote, "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions."
     
  17. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2013
    Messages:
    93,457
    Likes Received:
    14,675
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Here's some articles written by EXPERTS, about the 9-11 collapses.

    "A new era": The limits of engineering expertise in a post-9/11 world
    Pfatteicher, S.K.A. 2007 International Symposium on Technology and Society, Proceedings, art. no. 4362228

    Progressive collapse of the World Trade Center: Simple analysis
    Seffen, K.A. 2008 Journal of Engineering Mechanics 134 (2), pp. 125-132

    Scale modeling of the 96th floor of world trade center tower 1
    Wang, M., Chang, P., Quintiere, J., Marshall, A. 2007 Journal of Performance of Constructed Facilities 21 (6), pp. 414-421

    Failure of welded floor truss connections from the exterior wall during collapse of the world trade center towers
    Banovic, S.W., Siewert, T.A. 2007 Welding Journal (Miami, Fla) 86 (9), pp. 263-s-272-s

    The collapse of the world trade center towers: A metallurgist's view
    Gayle, F.W. 2007 MRS Bulletin 32 (9), pp. 710-716

    Building code changes reflect world trade center investigation
    Hansen, B. 2007 Civil Engineering 77 (9), pp. 22+24-25

    The structural steel of the World Trade Center towers
    Gayle, F.W., Banovic, S.W., Foecke, T., Fields, R.J., Luecke, W.E., McColskey, J.D., McCown, C., Siewert, T.A. 2006 Journal of Failure Analysis and Prevention 6 (5), pp. 5-8

    Progressive collapse of structures: Annotated bibliography and comparison of codes and standards
    Mohamed, O.A. 2006 Journal of Performance of Constructed Facilities 20 (4), art. no. 001604QCF, pp. 418-425

    A simple model of the World Trade Center fireball dynamics
    Baum, H.R., Rehm, R.G., Quintiere, J.G. 2005 Proceedings of the Combustion Institute 30 II, pp. 2247-2254

    Impact of the Boeing 767 Aircraft into the World Trade Center
    Karim, M.R., Hoo Fatt, M.S. 2005 Journal of Engineering Mechanics 131 (10), pp. 1066-1072

    High-fidelity simulation of large-scale structures
    Hoffmann, C., Sameh, A., Grama, A. 2005 Lecture Notes in Computer Science 3515 (II), pp. 664-671

    Collapses of the world trade center towers
    [No author name available] 2005 Indian Concrete Journal 79 (, pp. 11-16

    Industry updates: Fireproofing, staircases cited in World Trade Center report
    [No author name available] 2005 Journal of Failure Analysis and Prevention 5 (4), pp. 34

    September 11 and fracture mechanics - A retrospective
    Cherepanov, G.P. 2005 International Journal of Fracture 132 (2), pp. L25-L26

    Structural responses of World Trade Center under aircraft attacks
    Omika, Y., Fukuzawa, E., Koshika, N., Morikawa, H., Fukuda, R. 2005 Journal of Structural Engineering 131 (1), pp. 6-15

    Impact of the 2001 World Trade Center attack on critical interdependent infrastructures
    Mendonça, D., Lee II, E.E., Wallace, W.A. 2004 Conference Proceedings - IEEE International Conference on Systems, Man and Cybernetics 5, pp. 4053-4058

    Use of high-efficiency energy absorbing device to arrest progressive collapse of tall building
    Zhou, Q., Yu, T.X. 2004 Journal of Engineering Mechanics 130 (10), pp. 1177-1187

    Progressive analysis procedure for progressive collapse
    Marjanishvili, S.M. 2004 Journal of Performance of Constructed Facilities 18 (2), pp. 79-85

    Lessons learned on improving resistance of buildings to terrorist attacks
    Corley, W.G. 2004 Journal of Performance of Constructed Facilities 18 (2), pp. 68-78

    Anatomy of a disaster: A structural investigation of the World Trade Center collapses
    Abboud, N., Levy, M., Tennant, D., Mould, J., Levine, H., King, S., Ekwueme, C., (...), Hart, G. 2003 Forensic Engineering, Proceedings of the Congress, pp. 360-370

    World Trade Center disaster: Damage/debris assessment
    Thater, G.G., Panariello, G.F., Cuoco, D.A. 2003 Forensic Engineering, Proceedings of the Congress, pp. 383-392

    How did the WTC towers collapse: A new theory
    Usmani, A.S., Chung, Y.C., Torero, J.L. 2003 Fire Safety Journal 38 (6), pp. 501-533

    Microstructural analysis of the steels from Buildings 7, & 1 or 2 from the World Trade Center
    Biederman, R.R., Sullivan, E.M., Sisson Jr., R.D., Vander Voort, G.F. 2003 Microscopy and Microanalysis 9 (SUPPL. 2), pp. 550-551

    Brannigan, F.L.
    "WTC: Lightweight Steel and High-Rise Buildings"
    Fire Engineering v.155, no. 4, (2002): 145-150.

    Analysis of the thermal exposure in the impact areas of the World Trade Center terrorist attacks
    Beyler, C., White, D., Peatross, M., Trellis, J., Li, S., Luers, A., Hopkins, D. 2003 Forensic Engineering, Proceedings of the Congress, pp. 371-382

    Clifton, Charles G.
    Elaboration on Aspects of the Postulated Collapse of the World Trade Centre Twin Towers
    HERA: Innovation in Metals. 2001. 13 December 2001.

    "Construction and Collapse Factors"
    Fire Engineering v.155, no. 10, (2002): 106-108.

    Bazant, Z.P., & Zhou, Y.
    "Addendum to 'Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse? - Simple Analysis" (pdf)
    Journal of Engineering Mechanics v. 128, no. 3, (2002): 369-370.

    Corbett, G.P.
    "Learning and Applying the Lessons of the WTC Disaster"
    Fire Engineering v.155, no. 10, (2002.): 133-135.

    "Dissecting the Collapses"
    Civil Engineering ASCE v. 72, no. 5, (2002): 36-46.

    Federal Emergency Management Agency, Therese McAllister, report editor.
    World Trade Center Building Performance Study: Data Collection, Preliminary Observations, and Recommendations
     
  18. RtWngaFraud

    RtWngaFraud Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2011
    Messages:
    20,420
    Likes Received:
    106
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Paragraph A, subtopic B, page 32 of the disinformation specialist manual, I think.
     
  19. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2013
    Messages:
    93,457
    Likes Received:
    14,675
    Trophy Points:
    113
    more insults huh?
     
  20. RtWngaFraud

    RtWngaFraud Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2011
    Messages:
    20,420
    Likes Received:
    106
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Nah, I'm done. Just making the point. The game is still the same.
     
  21. Hannibal

    Hannibal New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2009
    Messages:
    10,624
    Likes Received:
    13
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Also known as the 'truther' handbook.
     
  22. Brother Jonathan

    Brother Jonathan Banned

    Joined:
    Nov 16, 2013
    Messages:
    1,610
    Likes Received:
    4
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Yes, because the truth is soooo... scary.
     
  23. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2013
    Messages:
    93,457
    Likes Received:
    14,675
    Trophy Points:
    113
    just cause you call it the "truth", doesn't mean it is.
     
  24. Brother Jonathan

    Brother Jonathan Banned

    Joined:
    Nov 16, 2013
    Messages:
    1,610
    Likes Received:
    4
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Ha Ha... NIST lied and 3000 Americans died... LOL... :roflol: ha ha! ... :lol:
     
  25. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2013
    Messages:
    93,457
    Likes Received:
    14,675
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The experts agree that 9-11 Truth is silly.
     

Share This Page