The Holocaust: The Forbidden History.

Well no. I have no idea how you made that enormous leap.
No the holocaust museum in the USA does not say that.
https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005189

No you haven't

That is the most idiotic thing I've read so far

 

Isn't it really bad luck to participate in a thread where the O/P was banned ??

 

They said 4 million for quite some time. Encyclopedias claimed that 3 million died there from around the 1980's. The plaque there says 1.5 million, and now you say 1.1 million. When did you first believe the 1.1 million number?

If it's quite alright for the number to be reduced 75%, then why should anyone have a problem with non-biased experts reducing the 1.1 million by 75% to something less than 250,000?

 

The USSR made that claim.

What does that have to do with anything?

The 4m number came from the USSR which admitted that the number was inflated and no I'm certain that your "unbiased experts" aren't experts nor unbiased.
It is simply impossible for the number to be significantly reduced even further unless you honestly believe that all the people that were sent there were allowed to leave at some point.

 

They honestly did leave Auschwitz---all the time. Like Anne Frank and most of her family. Auschwitz was a transit camp. Then there is Elie Wiesel:

Elie Wiesel passes for one of the most celebrated eyewitnesses to the alleged Holocaust. Yet in his supposedly autobiographical book Night, he makes no mention of gas chambers. He claims instead to have witnessed Jews being burned alive, a story now dismissed by all historians. Wiesel gives credence to the most absurd stories of other "eyewitnesses." He spreads fantastic tales of 10,000 persons sent to their deaths each day in Buchenwald.

When Elie Wiesel and his father, as Auschwitz prisoners, had the choice of either leaving with their retreating German "executioners," or remaining behind in the camp to await the Soviet "liberators," the two decided to leave with their German captors.

It is time, in the name of truth and out of respect for the genuine sufferings of the victims of the Second World War, that historians return to the proven methods of historical criticism, and that the testimony of the Holocaust "eyewitnesses" be subjected to rigorous scrutiny rather than unquestioning acceptance.

Night Eli Wiesel
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No it wasn't. I have no idea where you got absurd information from.

And?
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You need to read up on the subject.

Isn't Eli a liar? Do you believe the fantastic Auschwitz fire pit tales?

 

No I don't because I already know that Auschwitz was not a transit camp and so far all you've shown is that you've struggled to read and to comprehend not only sources but also what I've written as well.

Its an irrelevance. You could show me a hundred liars but it would be nothing compared to the mountains of evidence that supports the existence of the holocaust.

 

So after Hitler's "Final Solution" order, that you have no physical evidence of, was the main purpose of "Death Camps" like Auschwitz to be extermination centers or work camps? If there were dozens of satellite camps around Auschwitz, would they too have been primarily to kill people instead of contain and work them?

If you don't believe the fire pit hoaxes, then you must believe the gas chamber stories. Who are the very best witnesses to how the gas chambers worked? Did they wear any chemical protective suits when removing the hundreds of dead from the gas chambers?

Here are some things to consider:

Bill Armontrout, expert witness at the second Ernst Zundel trial in Toronto and warden of the Missouri State Penitentiary, which includes an execution gas chamber, confirms the danger: "One of the things that cyanide gas does, it goes in the pores of your skin. You hose the body down, see. You have to use rubber gloves, and you hose the body down to decontaminate it before you do anything [else].

Armontrout revealed to the Toronto court the safety precautions necessary to prevent those who handled the dead criminal's body from being poisoned by the deadly HCN themselves: "The ventilation fan ran for approximately one hour before two officers equipped with Scott air-packs (self-contained breathing apparatus which firemen use to enter smoke-filled buildings) opened the hatch of the gas chamber and removed the lead bucket containing the cyanide residue. The two officers wore rubberized disposable clothing and long rubber gloves. They hosed down the condemned man's body in the chair, paying particular attention to the hair and the clothing because of the cyanide residue, then removed him and placed him on a gurney where further decontamination took place."16
Real life tragic incidents corroborate Leuchter's and Armontrout's claims.

Another tragic incident involving firemen during a rescue operation further supports Leuchter's and Armontrout's assertions. In June 1995, there was a dramatic accident in a cave in the French city of Monterolier. Three children lit a fire in a cave, and threw an unexploded bomb they found from W.W.I that contained hydrogen cyanide gas into the fire. The bomb exploded and released the deadly HCN. It killed the children and also four firemen that came to the rescue. According to a Professor of Physical Chemistry, Louis Soulie, the deaths of the children and firemen, and even the fireman who was wearing a gas mask, were due to the fact that hydrogen cyanide dissolves in the sweat and penetrates the body through the skin, where it causes poisoning.18
Let us repeat: One French fireman was wearing a gas mask, but he perished because the HCN dissolved in his sweat and penetrated his body. Even six days after their deaths, a cyanide concentration twice as high as the lethal dose was detected in the blood of the corpses.

Finally, there is the incident of suicide by cyanide poisoning that took place at Grinnell College, Iowa. A student committed suicide by swallowing so much potassium cyanide that the fumes from his body sickened nine people, all of whom had to be taken to a hospital. The potassium cyanide reacted with the water in his body to produce cyanide gas. The fumes that emitted from his body were so disturbing, that the residence hall where the tragic incident took place, and the hospital where the student's body was taken, had to be aired out.20 Keep in mind these are fumes that exuded from just one body. Imagine the fumes exuding from one to two thousand bodies that were allegedly poisoned by HCN in the Auschwitz gas chambers!

http://rense.com/general69/gasccm.htm

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It is ludicrous to expect a written order to have come from Hitler because they knew that what they wanted to do was criminal and most people would not have tolerated it.
The closest that you can get to something like that is the Wannsee conference which was quite clear about its purpose

Auschwitz was unusual because it was a concentration camp that had facilities for mass murder. Other camps were more clearly defined.

They had various purposes

Sonderkommando as well as SS guards and senior officers.
The sonderkommando were given gas masks so they didn't have to wait the twenty or so minutes for the gas to clear.

Rubbish. They didn't use cyanide

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Sorry, but your Holocaust tales of gas chambers are rubbish and too silly for intelligent people to defend.

• Hydrogen cyanide, under the name Zyklon B, was used as a genocidal agent by the Germans in World War II
• https://emergency.cdc.gov/agent/cyanide/basics/facts.asp

People who have worked in real gas chambers are not so willy -nilly that they go right in after a body has been gassed just wearing a mask:

The execution protocol for most jurisdictions authorizes the use of a steel airtight execution chamber, equipped with a chair and attached restraints. The inmate is restrained at his chest, waist, arms, and ankles, and wears a mask during the execution. The chair is equipped with a metal container beneath the seat. Cyanide pellets are placed in this container. A metal canister is on the floor under the container filled with a sulfuric acid solution. There are three executioners, and each executioner turns one key. When the three keys are turned, an electric switch causes the bottom of the cyanide container to open allowing the cyanide to fall into the sulfuric acid solution, producing a lethal gas. Unconsciousness can occur within a few seconds if the prisoner takes a deep breath. However, if he or she holds their breath death can take much longer, and the prisoner usually goes into wild convulsions. A heart monitor attached to the inmate is read in the control room, and after the warden pronounces the inmate dead, ammonia is pumped into the execution chamber to neutralize the gas. Exhaust fans then remove the inert fumes from the chamber into two scrubbers that contain water and serve as a neutralizing agent. The neutralizing process takes approximately 30 minutes from the time the offender's death is determined. Death is estimated to usually occur within 6 to 18 minutes of the lethal gas emissions. (See North Carolina Execution Procedures).
http://www.clarkprosecutor.org/html/death/methods.htm

Having been in US Army for years training with NBC equipment, we didn't just wear gas masks, we had full chemical protective suits.

Because cyanide gas rises, the gas would have began rising from the imagined underground Auschwitz gas chambers right after the doors were opened, then gone up the imagined elevators into the where everyone was supposed to be cremating the bodies and killing them too.​

 

Nope.

And?

It doesn't matter. You would have worn those anyway because you don't what agents that might be used in the field and that's standard for many armies around the world.

A fantasist too.​

 

Looks like you don't know enough science to defend your beliefs about the Holocaust. In this very brief video, is this scale model true and accurate?


Knowing how real gas chamber victims are cared for, do you really think having a whole room full of cyanide victims would be dealt with by some Sonderkommando just wearing masks? (or not depending on the source)

 

Hey unbiased institute...

What do you think of the official lie about the lamp shades?

(watch the first minute of this video)
Buchenwald a Dumb Dumb Portrayal of Evil (Full Video)

 

Can you not read? Yes I do understand. You on the other hand just picked out an obscure article from a dubious website which even you don't fully understand.

Yes because that is exactly what happened.

 

Haven't we already been through this? Aren't you the guy that believes the Earth is flat?

 

You never dealt with it satisfactorily. It was an official lie. Why did the government lie?

 

Sorry, but people lie all the time---and certainly when the motives are there: revenge, sympathy and money--over 50 billion dollars worth.

Now, who is, or who are the best eyewitnesses to the Auschwitz gas chambers?

Using their accounts, a scale or even scaled-down model of the alleged gas chamber can be built. Instead of people, hogs could be used to replicate the alleged victims. There would be no need for 2,000 hogs to be gassed, only a hundred.

After the same amount of time your favorite witnesses claimed the victims were gassed with Zyclon B in acid and then waited for the doors to be opened, volunteers could begin hauling out the contaminated bodies of the hogs into another enclosed room.

I would hope that the volunteers would be any pro-Holocaust experts, writers or producers. They would only have the option to wear a gas mask, and must use their bare hands to move the poisoned corpses.

Based on modern medical standards on caring for cyanide victims, I would imagine everyone would become very sick long before even all 100 hogs are dragged away.

If your faith is so great in the Holocaust tales, wouldn't you love to see these tests ran to prove their stories are plausible?

 

I always wondered what type of people would join a cult and drink Koolaid filled with cyanide. Then I learned about holocaust deniers.

 

I think you're referring to this.
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...sons-and-instructions.497877/#post-1067256445

How much revisionist info have you checked out? Here's some.
http://www.flinttalk.com/viewtopic.php?t=12196&start=0

 

No need to stick up for yourself. I made my point

 

You're impossible to please anyway. On a hypothetical basis lets assume that you're correct; what difference would it make unless your logic is that if one story wasn't portrayed completely accurately then the whole thing must be fictitious?

 

So I've seen. Motivation alone doesn't prove anything and that's assuming that your statement is valid.

I already told you; the people who were there.

Well no because that would be an act of animal cruelty.

You're talking out of your backside as usual. Death was caused by inhalation.
I told you they didn't just use Zyklon B. At first it carbon monoxide from tank engines but that wasn't good enough

No I really wouldn't for the reason that I've just stated.

 

I don't think you've even read the account of one alleged witness who saw the operation of the gas chambers. So if you can't even give ONE witness then your faith in the Holocaust is pretty laughable.

We kill tens of thousands of hogs every day in the US, or it's not animal cruelty.

Also, were there any Auschwitz gas chambers that were lied about---like the ones with wooden floors and wooden non-sealed doors without even bars on them?

Cyanide gas is absorbed in porous surfaces, like the concrete in the underground morgue, that you say may have been a gas chamber. After months and years of gassing thousands of people a day, wouldn't the fumes from these surfaces sicken anyone working around them?

Tests should be ran as I outlined earlier, because some experts say the Zyklon B pellets wouldn't have worked as believed:

First off... how can the chemical properties of Zyklon B be changed from a pesticide to become the "wonder assassination gas?" Where is the evidence? (From a chemistry standpoint, not Lay testimony.) It has been slathered all over that Zyklon B is more deadly than DDT. Sorry...factually, it isn't. In fact, until the development of DDT, Zyklon B was used world-wide in extermination...of lice and other vermin, that is.

Here are the specs for Zyklon B:

Name: HCN, hydrocyanic acid; prussic acid
Boiling point: 25.7 C / 78.3 F at 760 mm Hg
Specific gravity: 0.69 at 18 C / 64 F
Vapor density: 0.947 (air = 1)
Melting point: -13.2 C / 8.2 F
Vapor pressure: 750mm Hg at 25 C / 77 F 1200mm Hg at 38 C /100F
Solubility in water: 100%
Appearance: clear
Color: slightly bluish
Odor: bitter almond, very mild, non-irritating (odor is not considered a safe method of determining presence of the poison)
Hazards:
1. Unstable with heat, alkaline materials and water
2. Will explode if mixed with 20% sulfuric acid.
3. Polymerization (decomposition) will occur violently with heat, alkaline material or water. Once started, reaction is autocatalytic and uncontrollable. Will explode.
4. Flash point: -18 C / 0 F
5. Autoignition temperature: 538 C / 1000 F
6. Flammable limits in air volume % lower 6 upper 41


Zyklon B does not have magic properties. It does not hunt down living creatures "like radar" as has been advertised for at least one currently popular insecticide. On the contrary, cyanide must obey the same laws of nature that steam or hot air have to obey in a similar situation. The advantage cyanide has, as far as its distribution is concerned, is due primarily to its low boiling point and its small molecular size. Although cyanide does indeed have great penetrating power, the penetrating rate is severely reduced by obstructions, such as clothing, unless those obstructions are overcome by some means, such as forced circulation through a well-designed chamber with good flow patterns for the gas.

Now remember...testimony has been presented which states that there was no circulation until the ventilators were turned on. Thus: "A ventilating plant was installed in the wall; this was switched on immediately after each gassing to disperse the gas and expedite the removal of corpses." Filip Muller, regarding the cellar in Krematorium 2 in Auschwitz-Birkenau in which 3,000 people were supposedly killed at a time.

Now, once again, the ventilation was "switched on immediately after each gassing." In other words, during the gassing itself, the ventilation plant must have been off; there could have been NO circulation of the air-gas mixture through the gas chamber during the gassing itself. Therefore, as cyanide vapors would have gradually left the granules, their path would have been obstructed by those intended victims who were crammed into the spaces around the Zyklon pellets. Those who were in the immediate vicinity of the pellets would have probably been affected by the cyanide in just a few minutes, but many, if not most, of the others would have been unaffected by the cyanide until hours later.

But, testimony has also been presented, in the form of the so-called confession of Rudolf Höss, the former camp commandant of Auschwitz that "the gassing process was so short that after only half an hour the gas chamber doors were opened, the ventilating machinery was turned on, and workers without gas masks immediately began to remove the bodies." (Now, just how were 3000 people killed in such a short time?)

These accounts, while shocking and, upon first glance staggering, do not, in any legal or scientific sense, constitute proof positive, beyond any reasonable doubt that these so called executions took place. In fact, even the mechanics of these alleged gas chambers do not withstand any careful scrutiny, and the chemical properties of the gas in question do not lend themselves to the stories of the "survivors."

More fun stuff that we are expected to believe is this. Zyklon B was in pellet form, the pellets began to smoke when it touched Oxygen. Oxygen had a catalytic effect on it acting like an acid, sublimating it from a solid to a gas.

As an analogy, picture a soup bowl of dried tobacco being burned, the massive smoke rising up and choking everyone. After all the moving, breathing, and coughing, the air would circulate enough to circulate the smoke to everybody in less than five minutes.

Now, let’s re-introduce fact into the equation. The evaporation of Zyklon B is "seriously delayed" at high atmospheric humidity, because the evaporating hydrogen cyanide withdraws considerable quantities of energy from the liquid HCN, the carrier material, and the ambient air. As a consequence, the temperature of the product and the ambient air drops. If the temperature of the air reaches the dew point, atmospheric humidity condenses out of the air onto the carrier material, which binds the hydrogen cyanide and slows down the evaporation process.

The question of how Zyklon B would have behaved if spread on the floor in a room filled with human beings, is somewhat more difficult. The radiant heat of the bodies would have a slightly accelerating effect upon the evaporation by increasing the temperature in the vicinity of the floor. Further acceleration of evaporation may occur due to a possible reduction in size of the carrier granules as a result of being trampled upon or crushed by falling human bodies, as well as direct bodily contact.

The relative atmospheric humidity in the cellars of crematoria II and III, which must certainly have approached 100%, would have "seriously delayed" evaporation, as well as the possible fluid secretions caused by panic on the part of victims lying on the floor, which could very well have occurred as soon as the door was closed, that is, prior to release of the Zyklon B. Under such conditions, a serious delay in the discharge of the hydrogen cyanide from the carrier material would have to be anticipated.

If assuming that Zyklon B introduction devices were installed in some of the Auschwitz 'gas chambers' as attested to by Michal Kula, such a device would have had the following effects: a) the Zyklon B granules would not have been spread out, but rather would have been kept together by the inner wire mesh, reducing the evaporation rate considerably; b) all three wire mesh columns would have drastically reduced any air convection within them, reducing both evaporation rate as well as the speed with which the gas spreads out into the chamber; c) due to high humidity in the air and the lack of air convection, moisture would have condensed intensively on the Zyklon B carrier, reducing the evaporation rate of HCN "seriously."
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You don't think. I mean you really don't.

You never asked me to. You had several opportunities to do so.
To be honest the fact that you're making these assertions tells me that you know you don't have a leg to stand on.

That doesn't even make sense as a sentence.

Apparently you assert that everything about Auschwitz is a lie so I can only assume that you're being sarcastic. I mean obviously it was just a holiday camp where people happily frollicked around under the gaze of their friendly SS guards who only wanted nice things to happen to the happy campers. Of course that last bit is a matter of perception.

I never said that.

No because the Sonderkommando were shot every few months

That's silly because now you're basing your assertion that Auschwitz wasn't a place where mass murder occurred on the bizarre notion that there needs to be some kind of simulation which may or may not prove or disprove whatever obscure argument that you're trying to make

I can't tell whether you're lying or just some kind of monumental ignoramus. I don't think that you would have dug up that information without coming across the fact that an almost identical product was used during first world war or the fact that it was subsequently banned because guess what it killed people.

Pointless. What are you trying to prove by putting this in your reply?

So which dubious website did you get this from? Please you're not an expert which is blatantly obvious so don't pretend to be one.​