No. It is just boring. This is what it is like. Pretend I am you. Me. 'Not all aliens are evil, or even evil'. You. 'Huh, what you do mean, how can you say that'. Me. 'Observation + curiousity = knowledge'. You . 'Um, anything more'. Me. 'HA HA HA, I am sooooooo clever, I win the 'debate'. BORING and ILLOGICAL
Yes it does seem that it was okay for jesus. Seems Jesus didn't consider jews who slandered christians to be jews. Seems Jesus didn't consider jews a race or an ethnicity, simply a religion. Which would then make the notion of an atheist jew a non christian concept, rendering that person merely an atheist. Wonder when the worm turned......
Indeed. Therefore, it should be important to real Christians. Since he is their prophet and and son of god, they believe.
Not many real christians left, if my reading of the bible and its description of what a christian should be is the measure.
Jack, you asked me "how do you know"? NOt "what do you mean, how could you say that?" I responded with my personal formula of knowledge acquisition, mistakenly thinking it might be a hint to you to actually answer you're own question about satanism by a couple minutes of research. But it seems you are not so inclined to actually research the topic under discussion if it is only tangentially linked to your self-defining hatreds. I even suggest a course of action to acquire this knowledge. It was you who decided to "call the win". I merely agreed with you.
Jonsa, remembering I was trying to tell you about the dark underbelly of the Zionist enterprise, and you were making out that no, it is just like 'anywhere else', and 'all to the same level', sort of thing? Well, have you ever heard of Monitin magazine? I've checked it is for real, and yes, it seems to be so, and it appears to have come into being in 2005, according to the JVL. Indeed, it is described here.. 'Monitin is a left-liberal slick monthly for the intelligentsia and upper class. It has high productions and aesthetic values. Israel's most distinguished writers and intellectuals publish in it.'... However.. Judith Antonelli in The Jewish Advocate reported that Monitin "contains the most sexually violent images. Photos abound of women sprawled out upside-down as if they have just been attacked." Oh and.. Pornography You have to see it to believe it and even seeing it might not help. I've been sent it over the years by feminists in Israel--I had seen it--I didn't really believe it. Unlike in the United States, pornography is not an industry. You find it in mainstream magazines and advertising. It is mostly about the Holocaust. In it, Jewish women are sexualized as Holocaust victims for Jewish men to masturbate over. Well, would you believe it, even if you saw it? Israeli women call it "Holocaust pornography." The themes are fire, gas, trains, emaciation, death. In the fashion layout, three women in swimsuits are posed as if they are looking at and moving away from two men on motorcycles. The motorcycles, black metal, are menacingly in the foreground moving toward the women. The women, fragile and defenseless in their near nudity, are in the background. Then the women, now dressed in scanty underwear, are shown running from the men, with emphasis on thighs, breasts thrust out, hips highlighted. Their faces look frightened and frenzied. The men are physically grabbing them. Then the women, now in new bathing suits, are sprawled on the ground, apparently dead, with parts of their bodies severed from them and scattered around as trains bear down on them. Even as you see a severed arm, a severed leg, the trains coming toward them, the women are posed to accentuate the hips and place of entry into the vaginal area. The cover of the magazine shows a naked woman spread out, legs open, with visual emphasis on her big breasts. Nails are driven through her breasts. Huge pliers are attached to one nipple. She is surrounded by hammers, pliers, saws. She has what passes for an orgasmic expression on her face. The woman is real. The tools are drawn. The caption reads: Sex in the Workshop. Or a man is pouring gasoline into a woman's face. Or she's posed next to a light fixture that looks like a shower head. For purists, there is an Israeli pornography magazine. The issue I saw had a front-page headline that read: ORGY AT YAD VASHEM. Yad Vashem is the memorial in Jerusalem to the victims of the Holocaust. Under the headline, there was a photograph of a man sexually entangled with several women. What does this mean--other than that if you are a Jewish woman you don't run to Israel, you run from it? I went to the Institute for the Study of Media and Family on Herzelia Street in Haifa: an organization built to fight violence against women. Working with the rape-crisis center (and desperately fund-raising to stay alive), the institute analyzes the content of media violence against women; it exposes and fights the legitimacy pornography gets by being incorporated into the mainstream. There is outrage on the part of women at the Holocaust pornography--a deep, ongoing shock; but little understanding. For me, too. Having seen it here, having tried to absorb it, then seeing stacks of it at the institute, I felt numb and upset. Here I had slides; in Israel I saw the whole magazines--the context in which the photographs were published. These really were mainstream venues for violent pornography, with a preponderance of Holocaust pornography. That made it worse: more real, more incomprehensible. Why do Israeli men like this? Why do they do it? They are the ones who do it; women aren't even tokens in the upper echelons of media, advertising, or publishing-- nor are fugitive Nazis with new identities. I think feminists in Israel must make this why an essential question. Either the answer will tell us something new about the sexuality of men everywhere or it will tell us something special about the sexuality of men who go from victim to victimizer. How has the Holocaust been sexualized for Israeli men and what does this have to do with sexualized violence against women in Israel; what does it have to do with this great, dynamic pushing of women lower and lower? Are Jewish women going to be destroyed again by Nazis, this time with Israeli men as their surrogates? Is the sexuality of Israeli men shaped by the Holocaust? Does it make them come? I don't know if Israeli men are different from other men by virtue of using the Holocaust against Jewish women, for sexual excitement. I do know that the use of Holocaust sex is unbearably traumatic for Jewish women, its place in the Israeli mainstream itself a form of sadism. I also know that as long as the Holocaust pornography exists only male Jews are different from those pitiful creatures on the trains, in the camps. Jewish women are the same. How, then, does Israel save us? http://www.nostatusquo.com/ACLU/dworkin/IsraelII.html Sorry - no matter WHAT you say, that is among the most freaky, messed up, and twisted thing I have read.
I see, every decision the UN make and you don't like is illegal. Makes perfect sense, doesn't it. Why didn't I see that before ? Do you have a body of advisers that helped you get to this conclusion, or did you make it by your own logic ?
Allow me to help you with your uncertainties. Step 1: Did you read Article 26 of the Mandate for Palestine, Free Man? Seems not. Here - http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/palmanda.asp: Step 2: Have you read anything about UN General Assembly resolution 181 of 29th November 1947? It did not just fall from the sky. It was preceded by much discussion, debate and shenanigans, which you can find here (click for source) Did you spot the bit where the Arab nations raised the existence of 'dispute' and requested that '181' be put before the ICJ for a legal opinion, in line with Article 26 of the mandate which at the time represented international law applicable to the territory under discussion. Did you understand that, Free Man? If not you should bookmark the reference and read it again at your leisure. Step 3: Did you spot the bit where, at the insistence of the USA, the UNGA voted itself the right to violate International Law? Can you think of a greater and more blatant contravention of the UN Charter, Free Man? Can you NOW understand why the Arab states voted against '181'? Good!! Step 4: Now, with your new-found knowledge, consider the logic and reasoning of my claim. Can you see that it has nothing to do with "not liking". To accuse me of that trivialises facts and verifiable documentation, and moves you into the realm of suppositions, Myths and Fantasies. I hope that the illegality of '181' is now clear to you. No problem -- My pleasure. Now go onto step 5: What does this illegality mean for the declaration of Independence of Israel -- which was based firmly on this resolution (see the quote below)? - (click here for source) Did you also spot the Zionist weasel-talk in that direct quote? Yes? Impressive!! Again -- my pleasure.
I have to say, you give a great example of weasel talk, everybody should learn. The fact is: resolution 181 is legal. The Jews accepted it, Arabs rejected it. Israel was created, Palestine was not. 70 years later, when what was then is long time water over the bridge, the Arabs still fail to grasp reality. Sad, really sad. Being stuck in the anal state forever. But wait, Freud was a Jew, it must be another conspiracy of them Jews...
They won't be stuck for ever, Jordan is their solution. Rise palestinians, Kick King Hussain out and have your own country.
What you did there is called Metaposting, which is against Rule 6 of the forum. A Metapost is a mindless repetition of a belief without the offering of any evidence and reasoning in rebuttal. What you just posted is a classic example. I in turn gave you full reasons as to why '181' was illegal. You gave zilch; zip; nada; but a faith mantra Score: Klipkap 1 - Free Man 0 You really need to try harder because Metaposts are just SOOOOO boring.
LOLZ ... you say that out of one corner of your mouth, while out of the other corner you tell us that the fact that the Jews had an empire in the 'Holy Land' 2500 years ago is their main claim to Palestine. Talk out hypocrisy!!!!
I never said what you claim I said. Please find a single quote of me saying that "2500 years ago is the claim to Israel" or admit you're not telling the truth. Talking about hypocrisy, very funny indeed.
Your arguments do not need rebuttal. You can agree or not with a UN resolution, as can anybody. But if you don't agree with them, don't go crying for not getting what they granted you.
STRAWMAN!!!! You claimed that my position that '181' was illegal was incorrect. I asked you for your evidence. Now you have morphed to "crying or not crying". I repeat ---- STAWMAN!!! You don't add to the debate. Sorry. YAWN ----------------------------------- Glad to see that you do not claim that the Jews have a historical right to "the Holy Land"
The Jew's main claim is based on four pillars: www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths3/MFroots.html#1 Oh, and the Israeli presence goes back 3,700 years.
You know, the Silly People With No Reasoning Facilities don't like history; don't believe that Jews settled and developed the land; don't think the "international community" can give "Arab lands" to Jews; and don't believe in either G-d or the Torah... So really, if y'all would just expound on your point #3 - which is that the Arabs lost; got conquered; and are up the creek without a paddle until they accept that cold hard fact. Just like every other nation and people on this planet, including the Jews. Everybody thinks it's "their land" when somebody else moves in. In almost all cases, if those who used to occupy the land were ignorant low tech illiterates who spend most of their time killing each other instead of the group that is moving into "their land," the low techie illiterates lose - both their land and often their lives. That's history. And, that's really all that matters. Israel built and is continuing to build a thriving civilization, advancing human knowledge every day and, the Arabs are destroying and continue to destroy any vestiges of civilization they might have once had.... Israel wins. Arabs lose. Arabs need to get over it and jump on the Israeli civilization bandwagon. That's history.
This is the arab lies !! Even if i will be banned, i don't care. This guy wrote yesterday that he lives 10 minutes from the Pyramids.. Last month he was Palestinian from Ramallah !! ARAB PALESTINIAN LIES !!
If you are banned I will cease to post here out of respect for your dedcation to the truth as you see it.
Such an excellent retort... I could not answer more eloquently, more precisely and more accurately. The thing that do not jive in this modern world is that land acquired in battle by the Arabs is Arab at perpetuity, and when they lose it... it is still theres and those that liberated it are thieves of Arab land... Under these unilateral Arab/Muslim credo Andalous, half of France, Big sections of Italy, Malta etc., are still Arab today after being liberated... Israel was liberated and it stands on it own the Land of the Jews, the land of the free Democracy in a sea of inequity and tyrannies.
Of course. However, as I noted, most people have zero interest in history or facts. They hear "Israel." "Jews." And they think there must be something wrong there because that's all they know. Somewhere in the tales they heard from their grandmother at the fireside, they learned that Jews were bad. Done deal. They do, indeed, need to get over it.
One mistake Moishe3rd - It's not about Israel . It's the sad story of all the west against Muslims and arabs. As i see it, Europe is also loosing the battle. Turkey is on the way of loosing it too. Arabs will not get over it.. they want to spread , Impose their religion on people plus Impose their way of life.. They want to "teach" , not Heaven forbid , to be thought.. Europe killed 6 MILLION enlightened, educated and cultured Jews, in return she got 20 MILLION or more not educated, religious and mostly uncivilized muslim arabs. SAD.
