if this was simply the reconstitution of Israel, then the State of Israel has no business controlling the Negev, as this was not part of the the previous Jewish province or kingdom.
Make yourself familiar with the right of conquest. In this case those that you advocate for have no right to conquer all these states in the M.E. Asia and north Africa. See the map of the Mandate. http://www.mythsandfacts.org/conflict/mandate_for_palestine/mandate_for_palestine.htm
Canaan was absorbed by the Hebrews... that means that the Canaanite and the Israelite intermarried and formed a united 'union'... The blood of the Canaanite flows today in the Israelite veins. The Arab conquest on the other hand was made with an upsurge of quasi religious zeal, implemented/forced on the conquered people by the sword, (exactly like ISIS is doing today), go back in history and read.
Jews were not allowed to live in Jerusalem under the Byzantine Empire, it was those horrible Muslims who allowed Judaism back into Jerusalem.
just as the Muslims absorbed the local population of Palestine when they conquered it. genetic research proves the Palestinians have Jewish blood in their veins.
In the name of the Jews... Thank you! Thank you also for dislocating (not so long ago) one million Jews from the Arab countries (their birth place...) and you come in here to praise the Arabs for their benevolence towards the Jews??? That kind of love my friend... the Jews can do away with... Good night!
Wipteedooooooooooooooooooo... Wow 'Eureka' something has been discovered!!! Nothing has changed in the Arab world in fact the situation has become worse... Senior PA Official: Two-State Solution is Just a “Phase” Before Israel’s Destruction http://www.thetower.org/2855-senior-palestinian-official-two-state-solution-is-just-a-phase/ ~by TheTower.org Staff | 01.22.16 11:37 am A senior member of Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas’s Fatah party has said that a two-state solution with a Palestinian state in the West Bank with Jerusalem as its capital would just be a “phase” ultimately resulting in a single Palestinian state. “Palestine stretches from the river to the sea,” Tawfiq Tirawi, a member of Fatah’s Central Committee, said in an interview Tuesday with the Palestinian news agency Ma’an. “A Palestinian state in the 1967 borders, with Jerusalem as its capital, is just a phase, as far as I am concerned.” “Don’t think that there can be a solution to the Palestinian issue by establishing a state the borders of which are limited to the West Bank and Gaza,” he went on to say. “I challenge any Palestinian to say that the map of Palestine is limited to the West Bank and Gaza.” In the same interview, Tirawi expressed admiration for Adolf Hitler, calling the Nazi leader “daring.” The view that the Palestinians should accept a state in the West Bank and Gaza with an eye towards eventually capturing all of Israel is referred to as the “phased plan” or “phased strategy.” In a 2004 article in Middle East Quarterly, Efraim Karsh, a leading Middle East scholar, explained this strategy: This strategy, dating from June 1974, has served as the PLO’s guiding principle ever since. It stipulates that the Palestinians seize whatever territory Israel is prepared or compelled to cede to them and use it as a springboard for further territorial gains until achieving the “complete liberation of Palestine.” From the very outset of the Oslo process, [PLO leader Yasser] Arafat and his lieutenants viewed the agreements as an implementation of this strategy, not as its abandonment. Arafat said just that as early as September 13, 1993, when he addressed the Palestinians in a pre-recorded Arabic-language message broadcast by Jordanian television, even as he shook Yitzhak Rabin’s hand on the White House lawn. He informed the Palestinians that the Israeli-Palestinian declaration of principles (DOP) was merely the implementation of the PLO’s “phased strategy.” “O my beloved ones,” he explained, Do not forget that our Palestine National Council accepted the decision in 1974. It called for the establishment of a national authority on any part of Palestinian land that is liberated or from which the Israelis withdrew. This is the fruit of your struggle, your sacrifices, and your jihad … This is the moment of return, the moment of gaining a foothold on the first liberated Palestinian land … Long live Palestine, liberated and Arab. Arafat wasn’t always so careful to hide his intentions. In a 1994 speech in South Africa, Arafat compared the Oslo Accords to the ten-year agreement Mohammed made with the Quraysh tribe in Mecca. After only two years, Mohammed conquered Mecca, claiming the Quraysh violated the agreement. Tirawi was implicated by Israeli authorities twenty years ago for the murders of several Palestinians who sold land to Jews. [Photo: Issam Rimawi / Flash90 ]
Many Muslims believe that Mohammad was Allah's messenger!!! Oh yeh... he had the only electronic telephone line with Allah 1400 years ago...
Actually, when you think about it, they've had it easy. First, this bloke from Mesopotamia heard a voice in his head that said he (Abram) could have the land (not any defined land, you understand) but he should get his ass (the four-legged kind - no profanities here) down to Canaan and convince the Canaanites that he was genuine, and they should follow him and 'give up' their land. If something similar happened today, the guy would probably be treated for paranoid schizophrenia. Then, lo and behold, around 3500 years later, the British/UN gave some of this same land to the Zionists (this time defined, though) and it became, by a unilateral declaration of independence, Israel. Unfortunately for the rest of the world the Zionists aren't satisfied with the latest gift - they are intent on proving that the Torah is fact, not fantasy.
When one relates to religions... yours, mine and the biggest one full of light headed uneducated people striving to belong to the majority (Muslims) trying to conquer the world without shooting one bullet are successful because we let them win having engendered Democracy... And because of that we are taking a huge risk to lose to the light headed mob. Read what Steven Plaut has to say about that (partially) http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4762275,00.html So imagine that the Israeli Knesset proclaimed Sabra-and-Shatilla Day a national festivity, with fireworks, picnics, and sweets handed out. Imagine the Lebanese perpetrators of Sabra and Shatilla were invited to the Knesset to be honored in a special celebratory feast. Then imagine that the two youths who murdered the Arab teenager Muhammad Abu Dhara in 2014 by burning him to death were proclaimed by Israel national heroes, their photos placed on postage stamps, their birthdays celebrated, streets named in their honor, their heroism taught in the schools. Imagine Baruch Goldstein, the guy who shot up the mosque in Hebron in 1994, proclaimed by the Knesset Israeli hero, where politicians made regular pilgrimage to his surviving family members to pay tribute to his murders, to raise their glasses in toasts. Ok, now imagine THIS, in fact no need to imagine it. These are the moderate restrained peace-seeking Israeli Arabs saluted in the Israeli press by countless professors, journalists, and literati: Arab MKs meet with families of terrorists Members of the Balad faction of the Joint Arab List – Haneen Zoabi, Jamal Zahalka, and Basel Ghattas – met the families a day before Palestinian President Abbas did the same. They attempted to hide the fact that the meeting took place. Ynet reporters A day before Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas met the families of terrorists in his Ramallah office, three Knesset members of the Joint Arab List met terrorists' family members, among them those who have perpetrated deadly attacks as part of the current terror wave. The three MKs in question are Haneen Zoabi, Jamal Zahalka, and Basel Ghattas. Among the relatives of what the MK's called "shaheeds" (martyrs) was the father of Baha Aliyan, the terrorist who murdered three in a combined stabbing and shooting attack on a Jerusalem bus, along with his collaborator Bilal Ranem. Aliyan's father said in a video that the meeting was "warm and productive." According to him, "The Palestinian Knesset member brothers listened to the suffering and pain of the shaheed's families, whose bodies are held in Israel." MKs Zoabi, Ghattas, and Zahalka at the controversial meeting. According to the terrorist's father, "The Knesset members' hearts were open and they listened to every word we said. They emphasized that they would make every effort to return the bodies by pressuring the government in the Knesset and conducting talks with the security and diplomatic officials in the Israeli government. It was settled that we would continue to meet in order to keep track of the matter in the near future." The three MKs who came to the meeting were from the Balad faction, even though all of the Joint Arab List's MKs were invited. The Balad faction said in response that "the MKs met with the families who asked to release their sons' bodies for burial. The request has been forwarded to the Public Security Minister and he is dealing with it." Yisrael Beiteinu Chairman MK Avigdor Lieberman said of the meeting, "There is no longer any need for proof that the Joint Arab List's MKs in general, and the Balad faction in particular, are representatives of terror organizations in the Knesset. The meeting of all of Balad's Knesset members with the families of terrorists who murdered Jews is just a reminder for those who still need one, in the government and law enforcement system, that we need to remove these terrorists as fast as possible from the Israeli Knesset, and preferably from the State of Israel." Minister of Education Naftali Bennett also spoke of the meeting. "This is a black stain that will be recorded in the chronicles of the state," he said in a speech at Bar Ilan University, "I am calling out to the Arab public: You are better than this. Cast these people out. We need to be a unified state, and there is not unity if Knesset members go and meet our enemies and killers." 2. Leftist crybullies: http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Israels-crybullies-443941 3. The press in Israel is now filled with ads showing a long list of far-leftist organizations stating how proud they are to be targeted by Im Tirtzu for their dedicated work on behalf of "human rights." What they are not saying is that they all pretty much share the same membership, people who automatically join any new far-leftist New Israel Fund financed seditious group to roll around. Indeed I suspect that in Israel the number of leftist NGOs is larger than the combined membership of those NGOs. 4. Peace At Last ~by Steven Plaut It was in the year 2020. The Israelis at long last gave up their attempts to resist the pressures of the world. They elected a new government headed by Prime Minister Yossi Beilin, the original promoter of the Oslo Peace Process, in coalition with the Jewish and Arab parties of the Left. They announced that Israel was willing to accept the unanimous proposal for peace supported by every single country in the world, and would return to its pre-1967 borders, remove all Jewish settlements from the territories of the new state of Palestine, recognize Palestine and grant Palestine all of East Jerusalem, that is, all of the city located east of a line running north-south through Zion Square, renamed Jihad Square. The world had not seen celebration like this which greeted the Israeli decision since the fall of the Berlin Wall or the transferral of power in South Africa to the black majority. All-night celebrations were held in every city on the planet, but none so enthusiastic as the party held in Tel Aviv in Rabin Square. Speaker after speaker appeared under a banner “Liberation at Last” and praised the decision to agree to the terms of the accord as the ultimate completion of the work and dreams of Yitzhak Rabin. The settlers were marched out of the lands of Palestine at bayonet point, with crowds of jeering Israeli leftists pelting them with garbage, as they moved into their temporary transit camps inside Green Line Israel. Liberal Jews in the United States organized a million man march in Washington together with Arabs, CAIR, and the Nation of Islam to celebrate the breaking out of peace and the final settlement of the conflict. “Peace at Last” was the number one pop single. The State Department sent out a message urging Israel and Palestine to conduct good-faith negotiations and round-the-clock talks on all outstanding issues of disagreement still separating the two sovereign states. At long last, there were two states for two peoples. Land had been exchanged for peace. Peace had at long last broken out in the world’s most troubled region. The morning after the Palestine Independence celebrations, the message arrived in the Israeli parliament, brought in by special messenger. The newly formed government of Palestine had only a small number of issues it would like to discuss with Israel. It proposed that peaceful relations be officially consummated, as soon as Israel turned over the Galilee and the Negev to Palestine. Israeli cabinet ministers were nonplussed. We thought we had settled all outstanding territorial issues by giving the Palestinians everything, they protested. The spokesman for the Palestine War Ministry explained: the Galilee was obviously part of the Arab homeland. It was filled with many Arabs and in many areas had an Arab population majority. Israel was holding 100% of the Galilee territory, and Palestine none at all, and surely that was unfair. As for the Negev, it too has large areas with Arab majorities, but is in fact needed so that Palestine can settle the many Palestinian refugees from around the world in lands and new homes. Israel’s government preferred not to give offence and sour the new relations, and so offered to take the proposal under consideration. Within weeks, endorsements of the Palestinian proposal were coming from a variety of sources. The Arab League endorsed it. The EU approved a French proposal that the Galilee and Negev be transferred to Palestine in stages over 3 years. Within Israel, many voices were heard in favor of the proposal. Large rallies were held in the universities. The Israeli press endorsed the idea almost in full unison, with only some regional weeklies from the north and south dissenting. Israeli film producers began turning out documentaries on the sufferings of Galilee and Negev Arabs under Israeli rule. Sociologists from around the world produced studies showing that these Arabs were victims of horrible discrimination and that Israel is characterized by institutional racism. Israeli poets and novelists wrote passionate appeals for support of the Galilee and Negev ‘Others’. When Israel’s cabinet rejected the Palestine proposal, the pressures mounted. A Galilee and Negev Liberation Organization was founded and immediately granted recognition by the UN General Assembly. It established consulate facilities in 143 countries. Weeks later, the infiltration began. Squads of terrorists infiltrated the borders between Palestine and Israel, and suicide bombers produced carnage of 75 murdered Jews a day. The border fences were reinforced, but to no avail. The US State Department proposed that Israel defuse the situation by considering compromise on the matters of the Galilee and Negev. Six months later, the victims of Jewish discrimination in the Galilee and Negev decided to escalate their protests. Gangs of Arabs lynched Jews throughout the disputed territories. Roadblocks were set up, and entire families of Jews were dragged from their cars by the activists and beaten to death or doused with flames. The EU sent in observers, but warned Israel that there is no military solution to the problems of terrorism and violence. When Israel arrested gang leaders from the riots, the General Assembly denounced Israeli state terrorism against Galilee and Negev Arabs. French universities gave the pogrom leaders honorary doctorates. Meanwhile, boycotts of Israel arose throughout Europe. Professors at the US Ivy League colleges demanded a total embargo and divestment from ties with Israel until it ended its racist apartheid regime. The leaders of the Reform synagogue movement supported the State Department and demanded that Israel end its obstinacy, redeploy out of the Negev, and formally acknowledge gay marriage. Israel’s own leftists launched a Movement against Apartheid, and the foreign press reported that 400,000 protesters attended a rally by the Movement in Rabin Square. Cars around Israel had bumper stickers that read “My Son Will Not Die for Nazareth” and “Peace Now”. The Israeli Left urged people to refuse to do army service outside metropolitan Tel Aviv. The Israeli Labor Party proposed erecting a series of separating barriers throughout the Galilee under the slogan “Good Fences Make Good Neighbors”. But Palestine could not sit idly by. Barrages of rockets and mortars drenched Israeli cities. The death toll rose to 7,000 Israelis per month. The White House and State Department threatened to cut off all supplies from Israel if it dared to launch reprisal raids against independent Palestine. Large cargo ships from Egypt laden with advanced arms entered the port of Gaza. Thousands of volunteers streamed into Palestine to assist in the campaign to rescue the Galilee and Negev Arabs from Israeli oppression. On the afternoon of Yom Kippur, tank columns cut Israel in two just north of Tul Karem. Palestine offered to withdraw in exchange for transferring the Negev and Galilee to its control. An Israeli newspaper and the Israeli Peace Movement proposed transferring the disputed areas to EU control until things could be settled. Synagogues in Belgium and France were torched. Teach-ins for the Negev and Galilee were held on US campuses. A new conference was called in Durban to denounce Israeli apartheid. The White House insisted that Israel not expel the invading Palestine troops who had divided the country, for it was a matter for negotiations and dialogue. The President invited both sides to Camp David, with observers from the Negev and Galilee militias present. Increasing numbers of Israeli politicians urged that Israel respond to the situation by granting limited autonomy to the Negev and the Galilee. When the government proposed to withdraw from Safed, right wing inciter web sites broadcast non-stop protests against the move. The government then passed a bill that shut them down. The owners of these web sites were thrown in jail as inciters against peace. The Americans offered to send in ground troops to protect the remaining Israeli territories, if Israel decided to accept the proposal to give up the Negev and Galilee. Let’s at long last have peace in the hills that Jesus roamed, suggested the President. Jews living in the Galilee and Negev were under siege everywhere and the roads were unsafe. The road through the Negev to Eilat was cut by Arab gangs in four places. Leftist Israeli professors officially joined the Arab militias fighting for liberation. Two of them blew themselves up on a Jewish school bus to show their solidarity with the oppressed Arabs. Ahmed Tibi, head of the largest militia, insisted he was doing everything possible to stop the suicide attacks on Tel Aviv and Haifa from the Galilee, but the Americans demanded that he do more. The UK demanded 100% effort to stop the violence. The PLO proposed, as a compromise, that instead of being annexed by Palestine, the Negev and Galilee be allowed to form a separate state. The Arab League endorsed the idea. CNN broadcast a series of specials on the plight of the Negev and Galilee Arabs, and the BBC started referring to Tel Aviv as illegally-occupied Arabian Jaffa. Netanya and Beer Sheba were described by them as illegal colonial settlements. The Negev and Galilee liberation organizations raised their flags over their towns and proposed that the Jews living in their territories be resettled elsewhere. The Palestine War Ministry was shipping them guns and explosives. The first word came of a detention camp north of Nazareth in which Jews expelled from their Galilee homes were being concentrated, with a second camp opened in the Negev near Rahat. Strange black smoke rose from the chimneys...
Here is a VIDEO of Caroline Glick pleading for people to be more understanding and is worth watching. Palestinian State will harm Jews and Arabs (VIDEO) ~Caroline Glick http://unitedwithisrael.org/watch-j...jewish-settlements-is-real-obstacle-to-peace/
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All I know is that if I were President I would kick everyone out of Jerusalem and just level the entire place, Temples, Mosques and all. If the religions want to keep fighting over a big hole in the ground then I just drop tons of bacon, pictures of Mohammed and lots of corn dogs shaped like Jesus.
It is not a question of religions... It is true that Jerusalem was delivered by Patriarch Sophronius agreed to surrender, (Byzantine Empire) to Abu Ubaidah of the Muslim Rashidun Caliphate. But the real owners... the Jews are returning to their Ancestral Home and no one can dictate to them <NOT TO> for the Jewish People is alive and well! Siege of Jerusalem (637) From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia For other sieges laid upon the city of Jerusalem in history, see Siege of Jerusalem. Siege of Jerusalem (637) Part of the Muslim conquest of Syria (Arab–Byzantine Wars) Image of Al-Aqsa mosque, Jerusalem. The Al-Aqsa Mosque, Jerusalem, is one of the most sacred sites for Muslims. Date November 636 – April 637 AD Location Jerusalem Result Rashidun victory Territorial changes Jerusalem captured by Rashidun Caliphate Belligerents Flag of Afghanistan (1880–1901).svg Rashidun Caliphate Byzantine imperial flag, 14th century.svg Byzantine Empire Commanders and leaders Abu Ubaidah ibn al-Jarrah Khalid ibn al-Walid Yazid ibn Abu Sufyan Amr ibn al-A'as Sharjeel ibn Hassana Patriarch Sophronius Strength ~20,000[1] Unknown [show] v t e Arab–Byzantine wars [show] v t e Campaigns of Khalid ibn al-Walid The Siege of Jerusalem was part of a military conflict which took place in the year 637 between the Byzantine Empire and the Rashidun Caliphate. It began when the Rashidun army, under the command of Abu Ubaidah, besieged Jerusalem in November 636. After six months, the Patriarch Sophronius agreed to surrender, on condition that he submit only to the Rashidun caliph. In April 637, Caliph Umar traveled to Jerusalem in person to receive the submission of the city. The Patriarch thus surrendered to him. The Muslim conquest of the city solidified the Arab control over Palestine, control which would not again be threatened until the First Crusade in the late 11th century. Thus, it came to be regarded as a holy site by Islam, as well as by Christianity and Judaism. This stabilized control of Palestina Prima. In 613, the Jewish revolt against the Byzantine Heraclius culminated with the conquest of Jerusalem in 614 by Persian and Jewish forces and establishment of Jewish autonomy. The revolt ended with the departure of the Persians and an eventual massacre of the Jews in 629 by the Byzantines ending 15 years of Jewish autonomy. Following the Muslim conquest of Jerusalem, Jews were once again allowed to live and practice their religion in Jerusalem, 8 years after their massacre by the Byzantines and nearly 500 years after their expulsion from Judea by the Roman Empire.
If you have any doubts... go ahead and explain... But not from a one liner!!! Go ahead and debate like any knowledgeable person!
one cannot spit on the kosher laws, spit on the Sabbath laws, spit on the rules about washing your hands before you eat, spit on the laws about prayers before each meal, spit on the law of Halacha, and yet claim that God gave you the land of Israel for eternity. do you know what God says about such Jews in the Bible, they will be banished from the land, suffer terror, be destroyed by their enemies, be punished horribly, until they return to God's laws. so don't talk to me about God's promises until you are a practising Orthodox Jew.
I am not a Jew, but I have read the Bible. The instructions given to Jews about how to deal with their ME enemies were not ambiguous. And the penalty for not following those instructions was not ambiguous. Since I am by inclination rather secular I am amazed that this has all worked out very like the Bible predicted.
