The Nazi Party was not Right-Wing

Which was why so many international groups like Comitern where doing everything they could to try and help the Communists and Social Democrats try and hang on in Germany after 1933. In the end the German apparatus was just too good, and Comitern recommended Communists to lay low and wait for the Nazi state to implode, and from their the workers state could be instituted

 

The Nazis formed a coalition govt. in 1933 with the Conservative Party, rather than with the Communists or Social Democrats.

I wonder why that was?

 

Well I am still waiting for a reply explaining who voted for the Nazis. I even linked to the relevant election results to help them in their quest

 

If Right-wing= Libertarian, that makes most Conservatives in the USA very Left-wing.

 

The Chinese communist also oppose abortion rights. A woman does not have the right to choose if they will have an abortion. Unless of course you want to argue that abortion rights is about having abortions and not the choice.

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Im still waiting for you to support you theory instead of pathetically linking vague wiki stubs and asking other people to run the numbers for you.

 

I have not presented any theory. I asked a straight question who voted for the Nazis. Wanna have a crack at answering it?. The information is all there for you. Or is this just another blow hard effort like your Richard Nixon claim?

 

I pointed that out. Apparently left wing = authoritarian while those on the right have an up and down scale for authoritarian. The right wingers in here have a very messy definition of left and right.

 

True - I think this is a problem of definitions. They were "right-wing" in the sense of authoritarian rule, not in any American right-wing sense, where right-wing is more about personal liberty and limited government, something quite opposite of socialism and authoritarian rule.

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I'm always annoyed when American right-wingers advocate government control over certain things, e.g. abortion, while complaining about big government going too far in other areas. They're just fine with big government when it enforces the policies they approve of.

 

Yeah, half the (*)(*)(*)(*) they claim makes the Nazis left wing also mean the Republican Party is left wing.

It's like they haven't clued in to why the right wing is also referred to as conservative and the left wing referred to as liberal or progressive. Liberal of course meaning accepting of change and conservative meaning supportive of traditions and the status quo.

 

If you want to make a point that the Nazi's were voted in by the wealth be my guest but its a case you have to make. So far you seem unable to make any argument short of linking a few wiki stubs.

I'm not playing your pathetic games.

 

No you have a very poor one. Right and left wing has to do with the role of government. How that role is implemented falls into authoratirian anti-authorartarian.

However, authoritarianism is very hard ideologically under a right wing as the right wing inherently wants government limited which also limits its power to be authoritarian.

That is why we can give countless examples of leftists authoritarians and you can only come up with Pinochet.

 

Ian Kershaw states that the NSDAP campaign was paid for by wealthy capitalist industrialists.

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Yes, the right wing, named after the supporters of monarchy, must mean small government.

 

So is Obama.

You are ignorant of the times. In a time when a total communist take over of Europe seemed like a real possibility fascism looked like a very good alternative to wealthy. You get to keep your stuff, you dont get murdered, and you have a strong voice in the party. As long as you do what the party tells you to do when they tell you to do it you are good.

If you want to go to a french forum be my guest. This is an American forum and an American OP. We are using American definitions.

Your puerile arguing over definitions is yet another fallacy called Loki's wager. Once again you cannot make an argument without being reduced to fallacious arguments further proof that you are arguing a false premise.

 

No, because it's just you right wingers trying to redefine the terms as supporters of us are right and all our opponents, and all of history's bad people, are left. It's a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing infantile definition.

 

I dont have to make any case. The voting trends are there in black and white. They are a matter of historical record. But no you wont look at them because you will discover an uncomfortable truth. Right wing and centrists voted in what you consider to be a left wing party. Now you can stamp your feet, stick your fingers in your ears and refuse to listen. But the Nazis never got votes from the very core group you claim they should have.

And how you going with that Nixon claim, or are you going to admit you got it wrong and did not look at that link either?

 

I will fully agree that Pinochet was a bad person and a right wing dictator. The problem for you is that he is the only one.

You have been unable to make an accurate definition of right and left for this thread because you cannot. You realize just how closely aligned you are to the Nazi's on economic policies and even some social polices, you are no friend of Israel.

You hope to keep the thread embroiled in an argument over definitions. That is called Loki's wager and further proof that you are arguing from a false premise and once more you know it.

 

Then feel free to enlighten us. This is a place for putting arguments to type not linking wiki posts and saying there. At this junction you are in violation of forum rules.

 

I don't think you know what Loki's Wager is. I've (*)(*)(*)(*)ing defined the spectrum multiple times. It's your side that seems to think that there's no definition, just some vague, "One of us is right and everyone else is left."

 

Sorry I prefer to present the information and let people draw their own conclusions. If you bothered to look at those links instead of complaining about them you would discover they are a list of each party contesting the election for that year, how many votes they gained, what percentage of the vote they gained and how many seats they secured. Its called primary information, it how history works

 

Yeah, but apparently right wing history is being "smart" and using your own brain to pull (*)(*)(*)(*) out of the air rather than rely on things like facts.

 

Yeah I know. I just dont know where this stuff comes from. In the last year or so the meme that the Nazis were left wing seems to have swept the internet. You cant go to an historical forum anymore without encountering this garbage.

 

The Nazis were a right wing reactionary political party. There is no other interpretation to be made here.....end of story.

 

But apparently we're the ones redefining an "American" term.

 

As defined by half wits like Jonah Goldberg.

 

Yes apparently it matters naught what the German people thought they were doing. All that matters is what a bunch of detached ignorant oafs think 80 years later