The Nazi Party was not Right-Wing

Liberal propaganda states that The Nazi Party, or "The National Socialist German Workers Party" in English, was a far-right political party. It was not. It is closer to communism and liberalism. Even their name says it: they're socialists.

Communists and Nazis both agree on abolishing all income that does not arise from work (such as inherited wealth), limiting freedom of speech, controlling the press, etc. While America's Libertarian party for example, an admitted Right-wing party, advocates the minimizing of government interventionism.

There is no way the Nazi party can be called Right-wing.

Thoughts, opinions, anyone?

 

I suggest you learn some history, start by reading Shirer's Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. The NAZI party was founded (pre-Hitler) as an actual socialist party with a nationalistic pro-german anti-internationalist viewpoint. Most socialist and communists parties of the time were anti-nationalist. It had a small office, and maybe a few dozen members.

Hitler, working for the industrialists and militarists - yes he was on their payroll, was instructed to infiltrate that party to find out who was involved in it and what ties they might have to other socialist parties.

Hitler quickly decided that the party's nationalist views were pretty much in line with his own, and that the party was weak and disorganized. He became a force in the party and began to push out those who stressed the Socialism of the party over the nationalism. His bosses among the industrialists and militarists saw advantage in what Hitler was doing, so they continued to back him financially. Other right wing nationalists began to join him and by this time the parties economic policies which weren't stressed, were pretty much pro- military industrial complex - ayn randian (before she started writting) style survival of the fittest unregulated capitalism.

Nazi's were very definitely right wing, not, as some of our own right wing revisionists would have it somehow, socialist. Horowitz and his ilk are very wrong . Their thesis about the Nazi's really being socialists is considered laughable my the vast majority of Historians and Political Scientists. Even during their rise to power the fascists were considered to be right wing anti-socialist/communist's.

 

you should read some of Hitler's speeches yourself, not only was he anti-captialist, but he blamed the foundation of capitalism on who else?.. the Jews. Hitler became an anti-capitalist/anti-semitic after the era of his life when he was homeless and out on the streets. The Jews in those times were seen as today's economic "1%"

Hitler himself preferred the phrase "socialist revolution" over "nazi party"


"We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions." - Adolf Hitler

 

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Is it then your contention that North Korea must be a democracy?

 

Oh I love it when someone tries to use the Nazi's name to prove their point. It's my excuse to become incredibly sarcastic. Oh of course, it's ever so clear. The name of an group obviously reflects it's traits. That's why using the exact same logic, there was never a pro democracy protest in a place called Tiananmen Square in the People's Republic of China. Or that the United States of America has never had a civil war.

The name means nothing. Now, Nazism isn't a far right ideology, but it's to the right. You can look at Hitler's allies before establishing his dictatorship. He formed a coalition with the Conservative party, which was a party made up of Junkers and Business leaders. And when Hitler became chancellor, he slowly but steadily outlawed the Communists and Socialists. Now you could say that it was a political necessity. But that's not really true. The biggest political parties in Germany were the Nazis, the Conservatives and the Communists. He could have just as easily formed a coalition with the Communists.

 

Are....are you (*)(*)(*)(*)ing serious? You're going to blatantly lie just to take a jab at something that's already jabbed at in a bazillion more convincing ways?

The National Socialist Party of Germany espoused a combination of Fascism, which is definitely right wing, and a super-extreme form of White Supremacism, which is also right wing.

The Nazis are right wing. This is not an opinion, this is a fact by the definition of right wing.

 

The Nazi Party's name was just one point I made. You seem to think my entire argument is based on it. It's not. My primary point is that many of the beliefs of the Nazis line right up with that of communism. Not ALL the beliefs, but many of them. Enough so that you cannot classify them as right-wing. Not at all.

 

To the "right" of what, not American Constitutional Conservatism. The Nazis, as well as the Communists, Socialists, and Fascists were/are all STATISTS, or those who seek to devalue the power and influence of the INDIVIDAL for a centrally controlled dominating government, or are those who seek to destroy inalienable Individual Liberty. To a Constitutional Conservative Nazis are LEFTISTS!

 

You need to educate yourself on the whole story. You are so totally WRONG!
The way Hitler came to full power was by DESTROYING the socialist party in Germany, and by destroying the unions.

Not unlike what the tea party is trying to do! Hitler was an EXTREME RIGHT crazy man. . .even his obsession with wanting to evoke his "Christianity" is quite similar to what the most hypocritical in the tea party (or the most deluded) are doing today.

And, obviously, the NATIONAL socialism has NOTHING to do with socialism. . .and all to do with tyranny, hatred, racism, bigotry and hypocrisy!

 

You seem to be utterly misinformed as to what "left-wing" and "right-wing" are.

 

Where do you get so much crap. . .I notice you don't provide any link. .probably because that kind of non-sense comes from a "neo-nazi" site of some sort!

Hitler was just as virulent against Marxism as he was against the Jews. . .and he put Communist with the Jews and the homosexuals in the concentration camps and in gas chambers!

I really wonder who is doing such a good job brainwashing you!

 

are you disagreeing with me?.. because this is not my opinion


Hitler and the nazi party were anti-capitalist, Hitler himself became an anti-capitalist after an era of his life when he was homeless. All you have to do is read some of the stuff he actually said and wrote himself to get a better understanding of where he actually stood... I'm not talking about the name of the nazi party... as I said before Hitler did not like to use the phrase "nazi" he instead called it the socialist revolution.

saying that he wasn't socialist is true in the same sense that the soviet union was state-capitalism rather than socialism

 

I have read him. Especially Mein Kampf. It is the essence of ultra right wing thought. He pretended to be a socialist. but you cannot find any real socialism in any of his programs.

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Yah think?

 

Your right, they were not a right-wing party; just a bunch of thugs, much like the tea party and their ilk.

 

this is true in the same sense that the soviet union was not "true socialism" but instead "state capitalism"

 

I don't know if Hitler ever considered the Germans "White". The Aryan term seemed to have been scientific in the 19th century, referring specifically to the Nordics. So if it was racial, it wasn't in American or Anglo-Saxon contexts. Also, the racial aspect of the political movement was more in a sense to get the fanatics, rather than the actual political movement itself. This can be seen in his attempt to reconcile with the French and even agreeing to a world where he could see Soviet Russia coexisting with the Nazis.

If Stalin hadn't built his massive army and threatened Germany(as well as Central-Europe) it's possible that today the Soviets would still loom large.

[video=youtube;0fRETQ52RrQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fRETQ52RrQ[/video]

And as a Third Positionist, I have to disagree that I have anything in common with a GOP that thinks of the military only in the context of "bombs away", or can't seem to orchestrate a society that fits the class to which we Americans should hold ourselves accustomed to. That being the class of the best.

Hitler's economic policies are often underlooked, and the German Miracle is the one economic movement that we don't learn about in history books.

 

Please, it is not Stalin's fault Hitler invaded him. Hitler hated communists so he decided he needed to destroy their only representative state.

Nazism certainly was completely racist. Russians were treated as entirely subhuman - they were slaughtered en-masse because they were considered no different than animals. They also slaughtered Roma, who they saw as sub human too, and Jews of course as well. This wasn't a political gimmick, this was institutionalized, industrial genocide.

 

So now one of the most murderous states in history(even more so than NS Germany) was Communism's only state of representation? I'd have to disagree with that assertion . Especially with the backing of Leftism in Western countries, it might not openly call themselves Communist but their policies and positions very much align with them.

There's also the controversial Russian Book called Spitbreak and this:

http://rt.com/news/stalin-letter-sothebys-auction/

I think the evidence heavily leans towards Soviet Russia preparing to engulf all of Europe while Britain was weakened and America was neutral. Even when Japan brought America into the war, it was on the side of the Allies who at the time were focused on NS Germany. Stalin had all the security in the world.

We only collectively realized our mistake in the end and ended up fighting a long cold war because of it.

I also have to point out that they were at war with the Russians, etc(and the Jewish declared war on Hitler in 1933, before there was even an actual war!).

http://guardian.150m.com/jews/jews-declare-war.htm

Honestly the idea that there's a "war crime" or virtuous in war is utterly laughable.

 

Some years ago I wanted to show comparisons between the Nazis and modern US conservative thinking. I was absolutely sure they had to be identical. After much research I concluded that the Nazis were conservative in some ways and liberal in others.

For example the Nazis held science in high regard. Our own space program as well as that of the Soviet Union were continuations of what the Nazis achieved. As nationalists they also had a deep love of their country. Unlike modern US conservatives who only love capitalism aka MONEY.

I was forced to conclude that the Nazis were not entirely bad. They did have some good qualities. Take those good qualities away from them and what is left would be VERY much like a modern day US conservative.

Conservatives, no doubt, would complain that at least they didn't round up unpopular groups for extermination. Yet!

But in fact they did. When accused of war crimes Hitler responded that he was doing nothing that the Americans hadn't done to the American natives and to black people. So not only did US conservatives do it, in fact, they did it FIRST!

 

The Left just loves to try to rewrite history all of the time. They try to suggest Thomas Jefferson was the first Democrat. No doubt because the real first Democrat was Andrew Jackson. The Indian killer. They try to suggest Monroe was the first Republican. The rewrite history any way they see fit. These days they are trying to suggest Regan was a big Liberal. They want to think Republicans are the only Presidents that engage in military activity. Funny stuff since the standing President. Has expanded the war in Afghanistan by five years and tripled the soldiers there. Even now he is trying to figure out how to keep soldiers there for decades to come. He is negotiating with the Afghan warlords who made as a provision of keeping troops there long term, the release of all Gitmo prisoners!

Hitler was a Socialist too. He was just a crazy one that's all.

 

On the other hand, I'm pretty sure that the Japanese internment camps weren't put there by a conservative president either.

 

Hey, that's really good Progressive Marxist propaganda. Bernays and Goebbels would be proud of you and Shirer.

 

Sorry, history does not back you up. The West was nowhere close to being communist, only the USSR was a communist state in the 1930s. That's not an assertion, that is a fact.

There is no evidence, at all, that Stalin intended to conquer all of Europe; he opportunistically conquered all the countries Hitler conquered in the process of defeating him. That letter is not evidence, because your source is just a bit of unsubstantiated fluff that says the auction brochure claims that's what the letter says, but never confirms this by actually reading the letter. So that's just bull(*)(*)(*)(*). Your second link has no sources and does not appear official in any way, it is highly suspect and I am not inclined to believe a word it says, especially considering its content.

 

Again compared to what? STATISTS are to the LEFT of Constitutional Conservatives. If you think any differently, YOU are the one confused...

 

I think you're essentially right. The similarities were a basis of the 1939 Nazi-Soviet Non-Agression Pact. They were both just as wrong as Libertarians.