The Nazi Party was not Right-Wing

I'm done with you. You're either being willfully ignorant...................

 

That isn't a specific policy either.

 

Next he'll tell us Stalin wasn't Left-wing because he worked with FDR.

 

So you didn't open the link either - And promptly shot yourself in the foot. Just to refresh your memory here is the wiki article I posted

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Food_Administration

Please feel free to point out where Richard Nixon is mentioned in the article

 

Who voted for the Nazis?

 

anti-semitic
homophobic
xenophobic
embraces wealthy land-owners and industrialists
hates internationalism
extreme nationalism

 

Don't you know, those are left wing socialist communist ideologies when they're not been espoused by the US Republican Party.

 

With the appropriate donation bankers industrialists etc could become honorary members of the SS

 

Hitler called the Nazi's the right, and they opposed the left.
And your examples pathetically miss the point.

Right and left are relative and situational.
Gingrich was to the right of Romney.
Obama was to the right of Hillary Clinton, but to the left of Romney.
It's a spectrum, and authoritarian statists, like the Nazi's, the Fascists and the Republicans, vary as to degree of authority that state should possess, but none of them felt the state should have less power. And all of them see the political class as less answerable to the people than the left.
And all of them shill for corporations.

 

You really have no idea, do you?

All of Western Europe, EVEN THE RIGHT WING PARTY in every country is FAR TO THE LEFT of the Republican party in the US, and VERY far to the Left of the tea party!

The Third Reich was based on EXTREME RIGHT ideology. . .Hitler was a RIGHT WING dictator and murderer who DESTROYED the German Unions. . .and destroyed the REAL socialist party in Germany to impose his "national socialist party" which had NOTHING in common with "socialism!"

 

Members of Australia's largest right wing party, the Liberal Party, have from time to time joked that if they moved to the US they'd have to join the Democrats to have the same policies.

The problem here is that these American right wingers in here can't seem to grasp that left and right is determined by where you're from. If what you are wanting is progressive in your country you're a left winger. If what you are wanting is conservative in your country you're a right winger. Somehow they seem to have "confused" it with, "If you're with us you're right wing and against us you're left wing," with no clear way to actually determine who is who because they keep tripping over themselves by stating that you're a left winger if you do X but their own side does that as well, but they have an exception to be allowed to do it and remain on the right.

 

Yep! And you forgot: ANTI UNION (contrary to that silly comment made by someone about "Cezar Chavez being extreme Right!"

 

You don't get to make up your own definitions.

 

I am working my way through Richard Evan's trilogy of books about the Third Reich. I highly recommend it to any one serious about understanding the era. Something he pointed out was the purge of liberals from the education system

 

Don't forget the Night of the Long Knives where Hitler ordered the assassination of those in the NSDAP who wanted socialism. The NSDAP had long decided to move away from socialism but there were some in the NSDAP who kept pushing for it. The NSDAP had decided to not redistribute wealth to everyone but instead would take the wealth, make the state stronger, and give the wealth to those industries that were seen as being in the national good, unlike socialism no matter how hard the righties on here try to redefine what it means.

 

Most of that thinking came from the Sturmabteilung. Rohm in particular was convinced the second revolution had to come to complete the job the Nazis had started in the March 33 takeover. Hitler saw this agitation as a real threat because he assumed (And I agree with him here) A second revolution can only be against the revolution that had already occurred. Many in the SA felt they'd been short changed in terms of the power many loyal SA men had lost, or been passed over for more acceptable Nazis

 

Please explain why Hitler's Nazi party was founded from the conservative right-wing "German Workers' Party".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/gcsebitesize/history/mwh/germany/nazibeliefsrev1.shtml

The basis of the conflation of nazism and socialism is the term "National Socialism," a self description of the Nazis. "National Socialism" includes the word "socialism", but it is just a word. Hitler and the Nazis outlawed socialism, and executed socialists and communists en masse, even before they started rounding up Jews. In 1933, the Dachau concentration camp held socialists and leftists exclusively. The Nazis arrested more than 11,000 Germans for "illegal socialist activity" in 1936.

In the 1930s and even beyond, nazism, in sharp contrast to socialism, was strongly supported by leading capitalists and right wingers in the US. Henry Ford, the leading industrialist and auto maker, was a great admirer of the nazis. When Henry Ford announced that he might run for president in 1923, the little-known Hitler told the Chicago Tribune that he would like to send shock troops to Chicago to assist in the campaign. Later in 1938, the year of Kristallnacht, Ford was awarded the Grand Cross of the German Eagle, the highest civilian award given by the nazis. Ford accepted it with pride, and Ford's company collaborated with the nazis as late as August 1942. General Motors, Standard Oil, ITT, and Chase National Bank (later Chase Manhattan Bank) among others also had major financial investments and collaborations with Nazi Germany.

J. Edgar Hoover, the first director of the FBI (and virulently anti-communist) was a great admirer of the nazis and was a pen pal of Heinrich Himmler (Reichsfuhrer of the Nazi SS, head of the Gestapo, and second most powerful leader of the Nazi party). Hoover sent Himmler a personal invitation to attend the 1937 World Police Conference in Montreal, and in 1938 welcomed one of Himmler's top aids to the U.S. In June 1939, when the Nazi SS was conducting savage attacks against Jews, Gypsies, and homosexuals throughout Germany, Hoover personally autographed a photo of himself and sent it in response to a request, to KRIPO, the Nazi criminal police agency. He continued communication with Nazi police until December 4, 1941 (three days before Pearl Harbor).

Nazism is a right wing ideology. It is violently racist, anti-socialist, and it targets the political left for extermination. This is underscored by Albert Einstein's embrace of socialism throughout his life -- and in particular in his 1949 essay, Why Socialism? -- along with the fact that Einstein's name was included on a nazi death list with a bounty of $50,000 offered for his assassination. If nazism really is socialism, why would Einstein have identified himself as a socialist a scant four years after WWII?

 

"Far to the left" is inaccurate but yeah you are close to the truth , most Americans even those voting for the democrats can easily pass for nazis anywhere in Europe . We are very intolerant of this stuff and specially jingoism and claims of a "great nation" , you don't need more to acquire the nazi label.

 

there are socialist libertarians too..

 

This argument is so stupid it is insane. The Nazis absolutely hated the communists, and they put thousands of communists to death during their attempt to conquer Russia. One of Hitler's main lines of rhetoric was how he planned to rid Europe of the "evil" of Soviet Bolshevism. They were a far-right party of autocratic fascists, allied with another far-right party of autocratic fascists (Italy) and, precisely like you are doing right now, simply reversed the truth to appear to be politically syncretic and a viable choice for the entire voting demographic. The Nazis wanted the national solidarity of socialism, without any of its politics, so they simply lied and called themselves socialists.

And it worked. It worked because the people were kept stupid through lies. You are the perfect case in point of it happening in your own country. Your suggestion that Nazi Germany was left wing is nothing short of utterly ludicrous. It is absolutely indefensible in its contradiction to the facts. Take a far right wing country like America for example, and simply look at the violence and the lies it exports. It sends trained fighters to attack, invade and occupy sovereign countries which have not attacked it, and then has the audacity to call it defence. Compare that now to a left leaning country like Sweden, where they start literally no wars and give their entire population free education and healthcare.

I'll say it one last time just to be sure that you understand what I'm driving at: reversing reality is not debate. Not in any country other than America. Debates in America are infinitely circular because you do not apply the rules of logic when you debate. Decades of ego stroking has rendered 80 percent of your population incapable of publicly or even privately accepting a mistake and learning from it. Quite literally, America is an idiocracy. Even its very smartest and brightest cannot escape the polar reversal of reality portrayed through the media, and no matter how strong your house is if you build it on shaky foundations it will fall the f!ck down.

 

Misnomer. You can't be totally opposed to what the other half wants and say you are just a branch of the same ideology. They are just anti authoritrian socialists. An oxymoron in practice. It just means they are authoritarian unless it is weed or the gays.

 

Oh... Maybe since OP is American we can start with that as a standard. You foreigners love to join an american thread and then say "the problem with Americans..." But still no specific policies to back your point. 70+ pages of deflection and not one principled argument. Post your specific policies or just say "I feel it", or "I have no specifics, but I defer to the people who do my thinking for me".

Australia is a freer economy then America these days. Hitler ws far left of you. You don't have assigne work do you? Guaranteed living wages?

 

No need for a competing union when the state sets salaries, assigns work and prices. Far left of the democrat party and any of the western european countries which are all capitalist without exception and most are in the top 25 freest economies in the world.

What specific step did hitler take to the right? Unions may have been a winner if he didnt collectivize the workforce and set salaries etc... The communist don't allow competing labor unions to negotiate with the state. We're the soviets pro union? Mao? Mugabe? Etc...when the collective owns you they don't want a y interference with their plans for you.

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What did I define in that post? Why dodge the straight forward questions if you have answers?

 

No hitler opposed capitalists and called the NAzI party socialist.

How was hitler more right wing then the system that preceded him. Specifically. No need to dodge this one. It goes to the heart of the argument.

Agreed.

Hitler was to the left of Obama. On wages. Prices. Nationalization. Healthcare. Food and shelter. I have policies to prove it. Do you have any? If so please name them don't be like every other left winger and just post a conclusion. Lets get something to support that conclusion.

 

The landowners that were there before him? How did raising their taxes help? How was that a step to the right? What about all that he confiscated? Right wing too huh? To take for the benefit of the collective?

Nationalism is authoritarian not left v right. We're the Maoists not nationalists? Minhs army?

Anti Semitic is not right wing. Lefties love killing Jews. Ask Palestinian supporters today, occupy wall street, or Stalin.

Xenophobia is not a right wing ideology either. Look for something like he cut regulations or something.

Hates internationalism? That is leftist! You guys complain about jobs overseas and international banking and free trade all the time. Ass backwards.
Here would be a good example for you, if it wasnt all left wing:

See? Specific polices that are clearly left wing. Not a projection of evil on the other side.