The Nazi Party was not Right-Wing

Where is the definition of the right on this thread? If we follow your logic it doesn't exist......there's only left and more left.

 

Well sure. Anarchists are to the RIGHT of Libertarians. Constitutional Conservatives are to the LEFT of both groups, but still to the far RIGHT of Nazis and Communists, etc...

 

Neither would Andrew Jackson. He'd be a vehement Tea Party supporter.

Do you think Lincoln would stand with modern Republicans? Hell, even Reagan would get called a progressive if he tried to run as a Republican today.

 

Even though anarchists are opposed to things like traditionally morality and tend to favor syndicalism instead of capitalism?

This is the idiocy of thinking that the Left-Right divide only depends of statism. It doesn't.

 

Pure BS. Read the actual history of the rise of the NAZI party, under Hitler it quickly became very right wing. Economic policies were very capitalistic. To claim that it was left wing is purely delusional.

 

Details like that are irrelevant to Tea Party types, they're much more interested in ideology and perception than they are in historical accuracy. Tea Party types are evidently too stupid to understand that the terms left and right are completely subject to the context of time, place, and political situation. Left and right have never been ideological monoliths, as some pop culture historical revisionists would have us believe.

 

The Nazis only seem left-wing to the American far right. But then everything does.

 

Again revisionsim. The "nationalists"as you call them were fascists and ultra right wing. The Loyalists were not communists, some individuals were communist, but the loyalist side was predominantly anti-fascist and anti-royalist. It was a coalition primarily of many center and center left parties, to attempt to label them as Communist is pure right wing fascist propaganda on your part.

 

First time I have ever been accused of being a right wing propagandist lol

A 100,000 members of the communist party took part in the war. The Royalists received aid from the Soviet Union plus a number of communist organisations around the world such as France and the US. 40,000 communists from around the world came to join the international brigade. But none of that really matters because I am simply spewing fascist propaganda

 

Why is it that you always try to bend the truth to blame the U.S. According to you the Democratic Party colluded with Hitler and Stalin. The truth is that FDR (Dem), did not begin the shipments of military materiel aid to Russia until after June 1941. If the U.S. became a Communist state we can only thank FDR, and the bigotted Democratic Party of the time.

The Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact, named after the Soviet foreign minister Vyacheslav Molotov and the Nazi German foreign minister Joachim von Ribbentrop, officially the Treaty of Non-aggression between Germany and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics,[a] and also known as the Ribbentrop–Molotov Pact or Nazi–Soviet Pact, was a non-aggression pact signed in Moscow in the late hours of 23 August 1939.

The Pact ensured a non-involvement of the Soviet Union in a European War, as well as separating Germany and Japan from forming a military alliance, thus allowing Stalin to concentrate on Japan in the battles of Khalkhin Gol (Nomonhan).[2] The pact remained in effect until 22 June 1941, when Germany invaded the Soviet Union.​

(See Wikipedia)

 

Hey this is your story we are discussing. Nazis were communists because they signed a deal with the Soviets. Following your logic that must mean the US is equally communist

 

Maybe you oversimplified, and he overreacted.

"The Spanish Civil War 1936 - 39

Background to the war
In the 1930s, Spain was a deeply divided country that was politically torn between right-wing Nationalist and left-wing Republican parties. The Nationalist party was made up of monarchists, landowners, employers, the Roman Catholic Church and the army. The Republicans consisted of the workers, the trade unions, socialists and peasants.... "

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/higher/history/roadwar/spancivil/revision/1/

 

I would disagree within the context of the original comment I was debating

Radical politics was the norm right across Europe. Some nations fell into the charms of fascism, equally some where falling into the clutches of communism. I used Spain as an example where the communists where heavily invested in a civil war

 

Anyone care to guess which side the supposedly leftist Nazis supported with arms and men?

 

If you say so. Then we can only blame FDR and the Democratic Party for turning America into a Communist led country during the 30's and 40's including sending supplies to Russia to beat the Nazi's. Can you digest that? Hmm..., maybe Joe McCarthy was right then.

 

Why is there a need to blame anybody. They are historical events, points in time, no more no less. Assessing blame is simply projecting modem arrogance onto choises made in the past

 

You've been conned, my man, by the name "National Socialist". Hitler's power base was the industrialists. He made the industrialists fabulously wealthy and the industrialists put his discontented and disorderly unemployed to work, solving his No. 1 problem. He was a fascist, no different than Mussolini.

 

Just a quick google search found these wonderful comments from Da Fuhur:

"Universal education is the most corroding and disintegrating poison that liberalism has ever invented for its own destruction."

"Humanitarianism is the expression of stupidity and cowardice."

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http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/a/adolfhitle383053.html#fv25CKfGixjU2yJg.99
"“The streets of our country are in turmoil. The universities are filled with students rebelling and rioting. Communists are seeking to destroy our country. Russia is threatening us with her might, and the Republic is in danger. Yes – danger from within and without. We need law and order! Without it our nation cannot survive.”
www.hitler.co.uk/hitler-quotes-about-communism.html

Anyone want to say Hitler was a socialist or communist?

 

A police state is a police state is a police state.

When describing who made out simply substitute "nomenklatura" for "industrialists." When describing who got the worst of it substitute "Jews" for "kulaks." But in both cases the repressive police state was their defining characteristic. In both cases they had Big Government to the max.

They both played the same game. Only the color of their uniforms differentiated them.

 

So is that your way in lots of words to say....Yes you are right Hitler was not a Leftist.

Just wondering...

 

That's not the case in the least. His policies were indistinguishable from Stalin's and Stalin was most definitely a leftist.

 

He started a war with Stalin, said communism what the greatest threat to his country? How does that make him a leftist? You didn't read the quotes did you...

Just because someone isn't leftist doesn't make him/her a righty. Authoritarians like Hitler do whatever they have to stay in power. Hitler was a Authoritarian.

 

And Stalin was an authoritarian. Not much differences in their policies.

 

I hope you are not equating authoritarian with leftist. Francisco Franco puts a major hole in that equation.

 

What? Oh I see in your mind thinking there was any reason at all besides pure evil for Lenin's actions is a fallacy.

You know Hitler had some pretty deep convictions too, and he did bad, bad, bad things in the process of doing what he thought was "right". Lenin was much the same way, but without the ethnic cleansing.