The Nazi Party was not Right-Wing

The vast library of libertarian socialist (anarchist) theory refutes basically everything you just said.

 

The Nazis hated Jews, Communists, Gays, non-Germans, Africans, immigrants.

They loved wealthy industrialists and corporations.

These are not Leftist views.

 

Fascism was syncretic. Nazism was fascism, with a super charged emphasis on race. Nazism was syncretic.

 

What ? "Facism" is most certainly a goal of the modern American Liberal bent. Hell, just look at Obama !! And the Klan was founded by the Democrat Party in this country !!

 

I will not (*)(*)(*)(*)ing shut it until people start using proper terms and actually admit their end of the spectrum isn't morally pure.

 

Communist? if you think the U.S. is or ever was lead by communists, I want some of what you've been smoken. You clearly do not know what a communist is or what they actually believe. Have you actually read Marx? The Communist Manifesto or Das Kapital? (or for that matter Mein Kampf?)

 

Putting aside your conspiracies, Fascism is right wing. This is not debatable. Everyone in this thread arguing otherwise is flat out wrong and just desperately trying to rid their end of the political spectrum of any notorious tyrants so they can claim the moral high ground.

 

My end of the spectrum isn't morally pure at all if you go too far to my end you get anarchy. But one have to be very ignorant of fascism to think it is right wing.

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If you think its not debatable then get the hell out of the thread!!!! You are talking like a fascist.

 

It's not debatable because it's a fact. Fascism falls under the definition of right wing, the only way to get around that is to invent your own definitions of right wing, which people in this thread are doign and you clearly have since you don't consider them right wing.

 

They loved government control over the means of production to be directed to the common good. That is the fundamental leftist view.

Everything else is distraction.

 

Says you and other leftwing intellectuals who already have enough blood on your hands to take anymore.

No I'm not surprised that you don't believe that you share a similar ideology to Hitler. Who would? You will lie to yourself and anyone else to prevent from admitting that to yourself. But if you will look at this thread your arguments are shallow and for good reason. You are arguing a false position.

P.S. Spoken like a fascist.

 

one has to be very ignorant of anarchism to think its right wing

 

When you realize that right and left is about the individual or the state. Even Marx who claimed to believe in an end Anarchy certainly didn't practice it. I find that most lefitst "anarchists" are anything but.

'More I will do as I do and tell you what you must do.'

Thats not anarchy that is selfish ego.

 

There really are people who believe that naziism isn't a right wing ideology?

These are people who shouldn't be left unsupervised by a responsible adult.

 

Left vs. right isn't about state vs individual. It's about egalitarian values vs. natural social order

 

First of all, it is not up to you to define what is left and right wing. These definitions are set, I've already specified several times what they are, people just don't like them because it means they're on the same side of the center as either Hitler or Stalin, and no one wants to associate with them.

Your implication that somehow leftist intellectuals came up with these definitions, which you absolutely cannot prove because it's false, makes this somehow an invalid definition wouldn't change the definition even if you were right. They are commonly accepted, deal with it.

Also, calling someone like me, ME, a fascist is the most hilarious thing I've heard today. Either you don't know who I am, or you don't care and are slandering me with "fascist" because you don't like that I'm telling you right-wingers are on the same end of the spectrum as Hitler, they're just nowhere near as far down as he is.

Like I keep saying to you people: I know you're sick of leftists using Hitler as an excuse as to why right-wing policies are the devil, because that's a bull(*)(*)(*)(*) excuse and not an actual refutation, but trying to rewrite political vernacular so you appear morally pure just makes you look like holier-than-thou snobs.

 

Marx wasnt an anarchist, so this post is entirely irrelevant.

 

"can be used", ......in theories that never translate to reality. Again, should make for some interesting reading in the halls of academia. No applicability to reality.

 

Well it does actually since I already specified earlier about the differences between Fascism and a Stalinist state. You may not see much difference since both are oppressive dictatorships, but they do conduct themselves differently.

 

that should make the oppressed feel better.

 

I didn't say they wouldn't be oppressed, I said their dictators do what they do for different reasons.

The fact that you don't care about the distinction does not somehow mean Communism and Fascism are both on the same side - only in terms of freedom for citizens are they the same, on an ideological level they are different and operate differently.

 

That's an entirely different subject, maybe you got confused and posted on the wrong thread.

 

Marx believed that the end state of communism would have no government. That is anarchy.

 

Don't be so silly,they are as rightwing as you can get,they murdered all the socialists in the party in the night of the long knives.

 

If fascism is right-wing, then Obama is a Conservative ! You got is all bass-ackward. I could care less about some antiquated European opinion about left-right. That doesn't matter a hill of beans now. American liberalism is moving heavily towards Fascism. It describes Obama's policies and actions better than any other label.