The next James Bond

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  1. CRUE CAB

    CRUE CAB New Member

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    I see there is a debate running about who should be the next Bond, James Bond.
    Lots of support for Idris Elba. I think I spelled that right.
    Black actor. Good actor.
    But I just don't think Bond will be well received after all this time as a black man.
    Now, if it has to be a Black Bond. I would go Denzel Washington all day long.
    What say anyone else.
    Elba, Washington, someone else.
     
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    I like Denzel, but he wouldn't be a good fit for Bond. Idris Elba is an exceptional actor, and I think he would be perfect. Being English definitely helps.

    As far as the race thing goes, there is a subset of people dismissing him solely for this reason, which is just short-sighted nonsense. I'm sure some of it is racism, and some is just blind adherence to the character being traditionally white, but in this instance, I don't find that to be a defining attribute of the character.

    I say, pick the best actor for the job, and so far, I haven't heard a suggestion for the next Bond better than Idris Elba.
     
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    Going back to the roots of Ian Fleming's literary character, James Bond, he has to be British. Mr. Elba was born and raised in Hackney, London, England. I see no reason why he wouldn't make a great James Bond. I would protest the selection of Denzel Washington more along the lines of his American roots than his ethnicity.
     
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    Bond was written as a White Englishman. It is what it is. Do you think that the next Shaft is going to be White? But here's a novel idea. Why doesn't someone write and promote a Black super secret agent and make him/her as popular as JB. Geez, the next thing you'll see is George Washington with an afro.
     
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    Bond is an officer in the Secret Intelligence Service, why does the character's ethnicity matter other than his having British citizenship?

    There was a black character in the Impossible Mission Force from the 1960s.

    I don't see a black James Bond as disrespecting Ian Fleming's character creation.
     
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    Because a White Engishman WAS the character Fleming created and even had drawing of what he wanted him to look like. Besides, Bond was an amalgam of real life British spies, such as a guy named Sidney Reilly. Lacking creativity and wanting to destroy tradition I can see how the left would want to change the historical nature of a character. Mission Impossible has nothing to do with this. What's next? Tarzan as an Asian tranny?

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    Because a White Engishman WAS the character Fleming created and even had drawing of what he wanted him to look like. Besides, Bond was an amalgam of real life British spies, such as a guy named Sidney Reilly. Lacking creativity and wanting to destroy tradition I can see how the left would want to change the historical nature of a character. Mission Impossible has nothing to do with this. What's next? Tarzan as an Asian tranny?
     
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    Actually Fleming's character was Scottish to be precise, not English....

    If we want to stay true to Fleming, pick a Scotsman. Not many protested the selection of Pierce Brosnan, an Irishman or Daniel Craig, an Englishman.

    As Bond is not a real character, some level of poetic license is allowable, he's not a biographical character, he's a work of fiction...and other non-Scottish actors have played him.

    Besidees the IMF [​IMG] is superior to the martini swilling, womanizer Bond and his MI6.
     
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    Money says after a few single malts you couldn't tell an Australian from a Scotsman. The Bond women were always hotter than the IMF's.
     
  9. Herkdriver

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    In Daniel Craig's own words in playing James Bond...Bond is a lonely, sexist character.

    Basically this character is sexist, misogynist and a dinosaur. He peaked around the time Sean Connery played him and there will never be a better Bond. Connery was Bond. It was ok in the 1960s to slap the patoot of your attractive secretary, to drink a 3 martini lunch and smoke two packs a day...all while wearing a tuxedo.

    This is the 21st Century. The characters of Mission Impossible who made up the IMF were always ahead of their time. They used covert espionage and high technology..they operated as a team. They were blind to color and gender, IMF fucntioned as a team, the end game was not getting a hot girl into bed.

    Bond was always a lone wolf, and never progressed as a character. The same martini swilling, hiney slapping sexist character. He never progressed beyond Fleming's idealized 1950s version of him.

    Bond is a dinosaur and would be out of place in 2015.

    A black actor portraying Bond is exactly what this franchise needs to breathe some fresh air into a stale character...a white guy, sipping a martini, smoking a cigarette, wearing a tuxedo with a super model trophy by his side.

    *end of rant*

    You may have the floor, I've devoted enough time and energy to the discussion about something so ultimately trivial. A fictional novel / movie character

    IMF Forever!
     
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    Having Blacks take the place of White actors is so yesterday. Progressives should demand that most traditional White male movie characters be instead played by more diverse people. Transvestites and transexuals if at all possible. Bruce, I mean, Kaitlyn Jenner would be just about perfect for James/Jami Bond.

    Superman, Batman and Wolverine should be replaced with non-Whites just as they were in the last Fan-4 film. In fact, Hollywood should be more creative and have Arabic superheros. Instead of Superman, have Sunniman---created by Allah and made of Damascus steel. Instead of a cape, he flies on a magic carpet like Mohammad did. He could have a sidekick named "Haji" or even superhero love interests like 40 or so virgin Sunnigirls.
     
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    Bond was never one man - there's been a theory out for a while that 007 is just the title given to whomever is the agent after the old one dies/retires.

    Ilba is going to make a great Bond. He's British to the core.

    BTW, if you white guys have a problem with a non-anglo playing Bond, how come you don't care that a white guy has been playing a Middle Eastern Jesus for centuries ?

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    And Jesus is a brown skinned, Middle Eastern Jew. That didn't stop you white guys from creating white Jesus.
     
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    But you were OK with whites playing Moses and other Biblical characters for centuries. Your hypocrisy is evident.
     
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    I'm thinking, a left handed, Muslim, Siberian, hermaphrodite transgender, with a speech impediment, and down syndrome, who is allergic to alcohol, a liberal gun-grabber, and a radical political correctness advocate. But nothing that would make the character unrealistic.
     
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    Washington played a brit in Queen and Country in 1988.
     
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    Don't be making fun of Surfer Jesus.
     
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    There is no images of Jesus and his appearance could well have quite different from what you expect. Herod was a Roman citizen with a Roman/Greek background and was clearly White. Speculation on your part.
     
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    If it helps you to think there was a magical white skinned Jew born and raised in the middle of the Middle East, go for it. But don't complain if a black Englishman plays James Bond. You have no ground to.
     
  19. Channe

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    And BTW, your example of Herod is flawed because he was a Roman leader of Roman/Greek blood so he wouldn't be brown. But an ancient Semitic, Middle Eastern Jew born in Bethlehem (which is currently in Palestine) would not be white.
     
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    My father was Italian, and very brown.
     
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    When did I say that? Anyway, the ancient Hebrews were probably a mix of Mediterainan and Western Whites, with the Whites predominating. Excavations from tombs 2,000 years ago shows the Jewish person having red hair. Here is better link to fill in gaps of ignorance:

    http://www.britam.org/HebrewTypes.html
     
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    LOL - yes, I'm sure.

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    if Moses can be played by a Welsh actor, Bond can be played by a black one.
     
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    Jesus was ethnically Philistine. He was definitely closer to the anglo picture.

    As for Bond, I'm glad I got forewarning. It would be some what a shock to find out from watching the trailer or worse still, in polite company. I suppose a black man could succeed as Bond. It's certainly a risk for the investors. I'm still maliciouslessly hoping the idiots at Doctor Who to try a female doctor. :roflol:
     
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    I think you might be confused with the ancient Khazarians. But you'd be wrong there too. They were woggy as f**k.
     

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