The plan was to steal tools. Then customers drew their guns

Well we don't totally disagree but we do disagree on your last point. I trust myself more than I trust statistics.

 

"Offing" is not a violent crime?

Well, you are apparently afraid of us criminals and I am trying to tell you that your gun is no defense against criminals. I'm just offering you a fail-safe way to avoid criminals from "offing you.

 

Fair enough. You know yourself far better than I ever will.

 

Exactly and I'm heartened you made the argument half heartedly

 

I don't think you even read the words I wrote.

 

I don't know, man. Anyone who gets between my seatbelt and wire brush is risking his life for sure.

 

Seems fairly straightforward.

Joseph walker said
You seem to think criminals are "professionals"

 

The united states news media is very generous in covering stories where law enforcement did not acknowledge or consider the available less-than-lethal options in various instances, but instead proceeded directly to firearms without a second thought. Suggesting law enforcement officers in the united states, in most areas, are simply looking for an excuse to shoot and kill someone or something. A suspect not complying with an immediate order, a family pet simply for being in the area, random bystanders because the intended target is failing to remain stationary, there are so many examples showing how law enforcement officers in the united states would never pass the qualification standards if they were in any other country.

 

None of which addresses the statement being responded to. A key tenet of united states law, is that if any particular individual is engaged in criminal activity, they are not allowed to claim they were merely acting in self defense if they are accosted during the commission of the criminal activity. Whether the crime being committed is one of theft, assault, or simply murder, it does not make any legal difference, as the perpetrator cannot claim their actions were justified on the basis of being afraid for their lives.

If a customer tackles a shoplifter to the ground and proceeds to rain down bare-knuckled beatings on their skull, even if it is unnecessary, and provokes a physical response from the shoplifter, the shoplifter cannot claim the assault they committed was in self defense. It simply does not work that way.

 

So why did you spin it?

 

I find this very hard to believe unless you live in a really shitty place where this is common.

 

You don’t suppose media might be focusing on outliers in an attempt to boost viewership?

“If it bleeds, it leads.”

 

It was his wife!

 

You should make sure to carry tiger repellant. Never know when you will need it.

 

So now you don't think criminals are professionals? Make up your mind

 

He must live in a very bad area. I'd suggest moving.

 

I would suggest that as well. The average American never gets a gun pulled on them. To have 5-6 pulled on him suggests he lives in a total craphole

 

I think your assumptions are that people will freeze up or run away in a panic. The first time I came under fire in Viet Nam it was the first time for everyone in our squad and not a single one of us failed to do the right thing. Scared - yes - but not so scared we couldn't function. Nobody knows how they'll react. That's a given, nothing to prove or disprove there. I think it'd be more correct to assume the majority of us would not crawl into a fetal position and cry for mama.

 

It is not a matter pertaining to an arrest made by a private citizen. It is a matter pertaining to how the individual who is committing a criminal act, and thus is legally recognized as the instigator, cannot legally fight back and later claim in court that their fighting back was a matter of self defense.

 

So if someone is in the process of beating you to death for shoplifting you must let them lest you add assault to the charges?