The Real Genocide of Nazi Germany - the biggest cover-up in world history.

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  1. Jazz

    Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    From what I heard, Hitler walked into a trap set by England and Poland. Both wanted war with Germany, thinking Germany was still weak and easy to overthrow. England could not allow another power in Europe beside itself. Poland acted as bait, constantly provoking the Germans by murdering and massacring the ethnic Germans left behind in the former Germany, now through the Versailles Verdict given to Poland.
    When Poland refused by not even negotiating to allow the Germans a small corridor through their former land to reach the City of Danzig and East Prussia, Hitler had finally enough and used force. By no means did he intend to start a WW.
     
  2. Jazz

    Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Another brainwashed mushroom??
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You heard wrong.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Himmler

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleiwitz_incident

    http://www.worldwar-two.net/events/operation_himmler/
     
  4. Jazz

    Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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  5. Jazz

    Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You are the typical American gun toting ...!
     
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    they (Americans) elected the Democrats.

    they sat by and watched the horror.

    punishment had to come



    fixed that for ya
     
  7. Jazz

    Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh, you have a real government? I heard your president is just a puppet on strings.
     
  8. Jazz

    Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    WHO started multiple wars?
     
  9. Jazz

    Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, the Russians were awful! But you can't say the Americans were better. They may not have raped as many German women and girls, they used other methods of torture... like starving a few million Germans to death after the war. And what the Americans did to their prisoners on the Rhine meadows was a horrendous and inexcusable war crime.

    Humanity is still at its worst if you look to the Middle East.
     
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    Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sorry, double.
     
  11. Mushroom

    Mushroom Well-Known Member

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    Yea, about 11,000 compared to over 2 million. Such a small difference it is insignificant I guess.

    Yea, and I am sure the war (lack of machinery and fuel, battles in farmlands, men off fighting instead of farming) had absolutely nothing to do with that.

    Rhine Meadows, the main Allied POW Camps in Western Europe. Of the over 1.9 mission prisoners, around 10,000 died.

    How about we compare that figure to the German Świętoszów camp, eh? Around 125,000 POWs were held there by the Germans (primarily Soviets), and over 50,000 died.

    So you compare the death of around 0.5%, and say it is a crime while ignoring deaths of almost 50%?

    Tell you what, come back next time with facts and numbers, not just spewing coprolite, ok? Because I actually bother to look up facts and figures, not just make things up withhout any kind of facts behind it (or hide it like you seem to be doing, in the hopes that nobody bothers to check the numbers).
     
  12. Steady Pie

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    There was a point when the Germans were presented with a choice: arms or food. Goebbels wanted them to choose food. By choosing arms they effectively had no choice but to go to war with surrounding nations, they simply didn't have the resources to maintain the practically 0% unemployment Hitler had delivered. If that promise was unfulfilled, the Nazis would have failed to maintain their power.

    None of this is to let the Nazis off the hook of course, but it sure explains their action. Like all false promises, if you want to maintain your power you have to deliver them through force. Few regimes go through with it, the Nazis did. Go figure.

    I do find the Nazi ideology fascinating, in part because it is the complete antithesis of my own. Perhaps it's their attempt at autarky when they were comically dependent on the resources of other nations lol. Or perhaps it's the fact that most developed nations have adopted some variation of their economic system in an attempt to curb unemployment and solve the issue of labor relations.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ah, yet another Nazi apologist and swallower of revisionist koolaid.
     
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    I watched three minutes of it and quit. What a complete farce. The crowning jewel was how, when Germany became powerful again, the rest of the world tried to 'take it down'. Anybody paying heed to this video is naught but a neo-Nazi (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) nozzle.
     
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    willburroughs Well-Known Member

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    Who said anything about starting multiple wars? The statement is clearly 'starting wars against multiple nations'.
     
  16. Jazz

    Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    more than one million seven hundred thousand (1 700 000) German Prisoners of War died from a deliberate policy of extermination by starvation, exposure, and disease, under direct orders of the General Dwight David Eisenhower.

    One month before the end of World War II, General Eisenhower issued special orders concerning the treatment of German Prisoners and specific in the language of those orders was this statement:

    "Prison enclosures are to provide no shelter or other comforts."

    Eisenhower biographer Stephen Ambrose, who was given access to the Eisenhower personal letters, states that he proposed to exterminate the entire German General Staff, thousands of people, after the war.

    Eisenhower, in his personal letters, did not merely hate the Nazi Regime, and the few who imposed its will down from the top, but that HE HATED THE GERMAN PEOPLE AS A RACE. It was his personal intent to destroy as many of them as he could, and one way was to wipe out as many prisoners of war as possible.

    Of course, that was illegal under International law, so he issued an order on March 10, 1945 and verified by his initials on a cable of that date, that German Prisoners of War be predesignated as "Disarmed Enemy Forces" called in these reports as DEF. He ordered that these Germans did not fall under the Geneva Rules, and were not to be fed or given any water or medical attention.
    The Swiss Red Cross was not to inspect the camps, for under the DEF classification, they had no such authority or jurisdiction.

    Months after the war was officially over, Eisenhower's special German DEF camps were still in operation forcing the men into confinement, but denying that they were prisoners.
    As soon as the war was over, General George Patton simply turned his prisoners loose to fend for themselves and find their way home as best they could. Eisenhower was furious, and issued a specific order to Patton, to turn these men over to the DEF camps.
    Knowing Patton as we do from history, we know that these orders were largely ignored, and it may well be that Patton's untimely and curious death may have been a result of what he knew about these wretched Eisenhower DEF camps.

    The book, OTHER LOSSES, found its way into the hands of a Canadian news reporter, Peter Worthington, of the OTTAWA SUN. He did his own research through contacts he had in Canada, and reported in his column on September 12,1989 the following, in part:

    "...it is hard to escape the conclusion that Dwight Eisenhower was a war criminal of epic proportions. His (DEF) policy killed more Germans in peace than were killed in the European Theater."
    O.k., I will be back!

    P.S.
    I have left my source out, because I know you would not accept it. You can easily google whatever you want to dispute yourself.

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    Name the Nations, please.
     
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    Herr Eisenhower, of German descent, hated Germans?

    lol!!!
     
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    Yes, I'm very anti-Nazi. That makes me a bad guy. :blankstare:
     
  19. Jazz

    Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And once again you make hysterical unverified and undocumented claims with absolutely nothing to back you up.

    Sorry, yelling and going in large letters or pretty colors does not absolve you from presenting facts to confirm your claims, which I did indeed ask for. Facts, from a source that is neutral, impartial, and reputible. Not more of the same crap you are saying from some neo-nutsy site like SF.

    Or in the common vernacular, "put up or shut up".

    And somebody trying to say that some leader was "racist against Germans" is absolutely hilarious. Yea, a crime even more severe then the millions of Slavs, Jews, and others (including their own genetically inferior Germans) that they themselves killed.

    Freaking Nazi apologist hack. Facts, or (*)(*)(*)(*).
     
  21. Jazz

    Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Are you anti-Zionist, too?
     
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  23. Jazz

    Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's o.k., have your tantrum. It shows your immaturity and ignorance. The war ended 70 years ago and a lot more "unpleasant" facts have come to the surface. For that, believe it or not, we can in part thank the Americans and their freedom of speech.
     
  24. Jazz

    Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I see nothing Nazish about it.
     
  25. Mushroom

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    OMG, that is what you look to as a "reference"?

    And notice, the quotes. That is a 8 year old (at least) piece of crap, that looks like a retarded 5th grader made it. I was seeing great-grandmothers make better pages then that 15 years ago, that is nonsense. No references, it is nothing but a long running rant against Ike because he dared to defeat the Superior Germans.

    Which might be even worse because he might have been Jewish. What other gems can I pull from that site?

    http://www.fathersmanifesto.net/dna.htm

    Yea, 95% of rape charges are made up by women according to that piece of crap.

    http://www.fathersmanifesto.net/aids.htm

    http://www.fathersmanifesto.net/wtc.htm

    http://www.fathersmanifesto.net/healthcare.htm

    I am sorry, that site is one of your main references? And now you want to be taken even a little bit seriously, and not as a complete and utter joke?

    You have got to be kidding.
     

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