The real reason Medicare is struggling

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  1. JET3534

    JET3534 Well-Known Member

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    By wait, I mean a delay that would worsen the medical condition. It only took me 3 weeks to get a surgery scheduled with one of the top surgeons in the country.
     
  2. ECA

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    Gotcha
     
  3. ronv

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    Sure it does if you combine it with Medicare for all to control health care costs.
    Once all the old farts die it's like money in the bank.
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  4. struth

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    He did if that's what they charged
     
  5. Doofenshmirtz

    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That does not even take increasing levels of sickness into account. This is a big problem and simple does not mean effective. The same way you and I are forced to fund wars we oppose, you and I are subsidizing most of what is making people sick in the first place.
     
  6. Labouroflove

    Labouroflove Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Follow your own advice.

     
  7. struth

    struth Well-Known Member

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    Um people are living longer....less people will be paying in then what is being paid out.....https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzi_scheme

    It won't be fixed by simply asking for more money from those paying in
     
  8. JakeStarkey

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    Tough, HB Surfer. It's the ER costs, legal and illegal customers, that's breaking the bank.
     
  9. JakeStarkey

    JakeStarkey Well-Known Member

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    Not opinion. They don't have those problems.
     
  10. JakeStarkey

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    The argument is about funding, which is an easy fix.

    If the argument is about better health choices, I am with you all the way.
     
  11. ECA

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    Why do you think you're subsidizing the poor choices people are making that is making them sick? Seems odd you would think that.
     
  12. ronv

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    Look at the pretty picture. There is a Yuge bubble working it's way thru the system.
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    The longer they wait the higher the pain.
     
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  13. cd8ed

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    There is absolutely more than zero doubt, economists have advised that if we do not nationalize our healthcare or at least have extreme federal intervention in costs it will bankrupt the nation. Period. We keep saying America is too big to do this or that — it seems to a favorite mantra next to the socialism angle — but these figures are by person, not by land mass.

    The moon was once too far away until we landed on it.
    Global positioning was impossible until we designed.
    Computers that hold the entire history of mankind were unheard of until an we invented it.

    That you believe we cannot solve healthcare is laughable.
    We do not want to solve healthcare because of rhetoric, lies and most of all profits.
     
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    I know that's the point....you have more people aging, and living longer....you'll have more people being paid out, with less people paying in.
     
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    That you have to pick one of the worse preforming national healthcare systems — which still beats us in most metrics — for your argument shows just how bad off our system really is.
     
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  16. ronv

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    I think you missed what I said.

    Sure it does if you combine it with Medicare for all to control health care costs.
    Once all the old farts die it's like money in the bank.

    If you raise it now as the boomers age out the system is okay again.
     
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    Nah.. you still blame medicare Medicaid. In both cases, those agencies create billing codes that have to be used with pricing they will abide by. The agencies don't actually know what a procedure costs, just that they have codes to describe the procedure or medicine, etc, and they arbitrarily set pricing based on what providers put out there as "list" and then the agencies pay 60-65% of that. So, if you're enterprising, you know that, and price accordingly, and the agencies pay dutifully. Oh, and then add the cost of HIPAA to the run costs of those places, the regulatory requirements cost upwards of 40% of the actual billing cost to a patient. That overhead is also happily included into the price providers then use to justify their costs and the agencies happily pay it. The reason medicine costs as much as it does is simply because the government has established their reimbursement rate to support those costs. And because you have insurance or Medicaid medicare, you're facilitating all of that transactional cost.
     
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    And that folks is his opinion. LOL
     
  19. struth

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    I didn't miss what you said, it's just you don't know what SS is...it's not just for old people for one. Medicare for all won't control healthcare cost....Medicare, like SS our the largest drivers of our national debt as it is.
     
  20. ronv

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    If you raised it now it would be solvent thru at least 2085.

    [​IMG]

    https://www.cbo.gov/publication/52298
     
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    No way he filed $42k in services.
     
  22. struth

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    Like I said, the short term, not the long term. So what do you do in fifty years from now? Raise it again? Don't you understand, that only kicks the bucket....hence why I provided you the link to Ponzi Scheme
     
  23. Doofenshmirtz

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    What you call an easy fix is nothing more than delaying the inevitable. If sickness continues to increase, a tipping point will eventually be reached.

    Tax payers are forced to subsidize unhealthy food and are not given a choice.
     
  24. JakeStarkey

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    Robert, I asked for objective, and all we get is yammering. Your comment is off point.

    Attacking me, guys, instead of offering objective evidence defeats the OP.
     
  25. JakeStarkey

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    That's philosophical, Doofenschmirtz, without objective proof behind it. #95 above is your answer.
     
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