the real Russia, not as shown by the Media.

let's be honest, Russian economic success is all a game of smoke & mirrors.

they build nice things in the big cities, and ignore extreme poverty and inequality in the smaller cities and towns.

Russia's poverty rate is much higher than the USA.

50% of their wealth is held by just 300 Russians.

 

I know what propaganda is, for I grew up when we taught in school how to spot propaganda quickly. If this is propaganda then every travel program showing the US is propaganda. LOL

The real propaganda is seen in our media, when they use a real tactic of propaganda and demonize Putin and then repeat it over and over.

BTW, Russia saw a creation of oligarchs who were using Russia as their prostitute, exploiting, just like our own oligarchs have done. We allow ours to continue on, as they own our politicians. So Putin seized their assets for the Russian people who were being exploited, and of course our oligarchs do not like that, for it might eventually happen here, if it gets bad enough.

Since the Russian people are not being ruled over by a dictator, but someone they like, this makes a great difference. And all of the oligarchy propaganda of the US will not change that. Yet our oligarchs will continue on.

 

14.5% ( US ) vs 16% ( 2015 RU ) ???

 

That is for the combined saleries of both Mother and Father.

Lower Middle Class earn together about $150,000 a year.

Middle Class...$250-$300,000 together a year.

Upper Middle Class $300 to $750,000 a year.

AboveAlpha

 

You are a dreamer
Look American Housing Survey first.
Don't tell me what the middle class is

 

There is no doubt that Russia, along with most countries, have some beautiful landscape. Mother nature didn't define the rulers.
It's also clear that there are good people in lots of areas, as with most countries. Unfortunately they are brought down by the bad people - especially in media (and media only likes the bad news stories).

 

the pic shows a professional beggar you'd rarely see in Moscow streets; has nothing to do with what the life in Russia really is, unless you mean we're all beggars.

that is inane rubbish, another example of shoddy journalism, also because they used the pic above to corroborate thier point.

it isn't Russians in the pic, its Gypsies in a Gypsy tabor - clearly seen; so why post this?

i don't have slightest idea what this one is supposed to portray ...care to explain what's in the photo?

the aftermath of gas explosion accident at a marketplace, happened a couple of years ago, so what???

fat ladies in a shabby environment, so what again? Russia does have some schithole places, but i personally have never seen one that could be defined by the photo above, it isn't part of the life here.

 

here's more real life, in Russia

 

Yeah, take a look at that!

 

Poverty level in Russia is just under 10,000 rubles/month, and even at that low standard, 23 million Russians are below it. So much for that whole, 'There is no poverty in Russia.

 

That is equal to about 16%.
I mentioned that already.
US poverty rate is about 14.5%
Not much better.

 

My post was more of a rebuttal to the azshat poster who made the statement that there is no poverty in Russia.

 

There's a poverty in any country. There's a poverty in Russia as well.

 

what's so real about street bums?

that one pic is from the 1990s, don't try to slip it in.

 

how did you calculate it?.. i for one am owner of a small business i did not register with lawyer's to avoid taxes so i count as a jobless person with zero income. 10 000 rub a month can apply only to part time jobs in Russia when you work once a week or so.

 

Man, don't blame willburroughs He is right but he does not understand details.First of all, russian statistics of peoples who are below a living wage, relies on data of Agency of Taxes and describes personal income that is declared
Therefore:
- it does not getting your case into account
- it does not consider households

That means that if I have 50.000 rub salary but my wife has less that 10.000 then she will be counted as 'below a living wage'

And ... move around of Russia and you'll meet persons who have less than 10.000 and work 5 days of week. Trust me

 

yeah, but our poverty line is $900 a month.

in Russia, its $230 a month....even in Moscow.

clearly, Russia's poverty level is artificially low so as to make believe poor people ain't really poor.

 

if Russia's poverty line was the same as in the USA, which is $900 a month, or even $700 a month, 40% of Russia would be considered in poverty.

 

Because it's Russia - not US. Spendings are much more cheaper here

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In terms of american spendings - yes

 

Russia is ranked 42nd in Credit Swiss Average Medium Income in 2009.

India just passed Russia as Russia has fallen to $967...and India has risen to $1002 a month in 2014.

AboveAlpha

 

cost of living in Moscow is not 25% of NYC.

Russia has a very low poverty line so as to falsely claim only 16% of them are in poverty.

also, America's poverty line may be too high, as it does NOT include the value of free housing, free food, and welfare money.

 

It's several time cheaper even in Moscow.
Here are three main points:
1) rent an apartment
2) transportation
3) food

Moscow:
1) starts with $250-350 per one room apartment per month
2) subway costs an about $30 for 30-day unlimited ride
3) lunch costs an about $2-3, i.e food spending starts with $100 per month

NYC
1) starts with $700-1000 per month
2) $116.50 for 30-day unlimited ride
3) $2-3 is for snack only

Take your calculations

 

Russia has no places like that

 

Just add snow.

AboveAlpha

 

because Russians have way less expenses than Americans' in terms of taxes, housing, public transport etc.