the real Russia, not as shown by the Media.

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by sharik, Jul 27, 2015.

  1. Sadistic-Savior

    Sadistic-Savior New Member Past Donor

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    Awesome pictures and video of tourist-Russia. I have seen pictures of tourist-Russia in the media before.
     
  2. sharik

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    Who cares who provides the film. It was in no way made by Netflix. Documentaries are filmed by reporters traveling to places like Russia, and the middle east. Real people.

    Your Russian STATE-RUN media makes you BELIEVE that it's some kind of "conspiracy against the motherland".

    Your people are brainwashed. I feel very sorry for the Soviet brainwashing victims.
     
  4. sharik

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    its been purchased by Netflix and thus chosen for you to watch. FBI choice, actually: no bright sides of Russia are allowed be shown to Westerners, only dark sides, like prisons or drug addicts hangouts... and you readily buy it hook, line & sinker.
     
  5. AboveAlpha

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    First of all there are huge programs that Russia has put on hold to try to fix the МКАД which is a Ring System number of Roads that go around Moscow from a small ring around the inner city to ever expanding rings and now they are adding another U.S. Highway type design with elevated on and off ramps.

    My Russian Friends who live mostly in and around the city of Moscow are all Families of Men and one Woman who were my COLD WAR COUNTERPARTS.

    They love their country of Russia and each one of them served on the highest level and their actions although through 1983 into the early 2000's as some of them were retired by the Late 1990's as I was much younger than them in 1983....as they were all firm believers in TRUE COMMUNISM not the graft and mafia style entitlement system that was the Soviet Union in it's final decade.

    A few of them were decorated with Hero of the Soviet Union Medals which can be given to both a Soviet Soldier or Civilian and is similar to the U.S. Congressional Medal of Honor except for the being given to Civilian part.

    One has the Order of Lenin Medal.

    A few have the Order of the October Revolution Medals.

    Several plus those already have a medal have the "For Personal Courage" Medal.

    Also they have the "For Courage" Medals.....the Medal "For Battle Merit"....the Medal "For Distinction in Guarding the State Border of the USSR"...as this last one was given to members of the KGB.

    Also there is one with the Metal of the Honoured Inventor of the USSR.

    Honestly there are so many Medals that a person can get back in the USSR as well now in Russia it is difficult to remember them all but I know that they give out Metals for being a MOTHER are having and raising like 10 kids.

    So my friends are true RED Hero's of the Soviet Union and they are worried about what is going on.

    AboveAlpha
     
  6. sharik

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    methinks, you have to ask them twice on every issue we discussed above, not just stay satisfied with the first reply... 'bread lines' is a typical Western term used for sweeping generalisation; so you need to ask them once again to clarify the matter, because bread lines were seen in the USSR only during the WWII and shortly afterwards and during a short stint in the 1960s when Khrushtchov sabotaged Soviet grain production to make way for American farmers on Soviet grain market although American grain soon became only a drop in the bucket as compared to overall Soviet grain production.
     
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    ah, stop telling half-truth... they are worried not for how democracy and other Western practice's to strike root in Russia, they want the USSR back.
     
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    As I stated BREAD LINES are not something a person saw in and around Moscow or other large Russian Cities in the Soviet era except during WWII....but things like Meat and Coffee...etc....there were definitely LINES!

    Now if you were living in Azerbaijian or in other out in the middle of NOWHERE areas of either Russia or other Former Soviet States during the middle to late 1980's and 1990's....THERE WERE BREAD LINES AND LINES FOR JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING!!!

    The Soviet Communist Leadership screwed over the Non-Russian Soviet States....not so much Ukraine or Georgia but all the other's and ESPECIALLY Warsaw Pact Nations who had it very hard like Romania, Hungry...etc....as the Soviet's would grab up all the Farmers Crops and leave hardly enough left to feed the Farmer and his family and in many cases they even took the farmers PLANTING WHEAT AND CORN SEED...as this went to feed the Soviet Military.

    The East German's used to make a Hard Liquor called....CORN....which was made out of Corn....the Soviet's came in and grabbed up all the Corn Kernals reserved for making this East German Alcohol in the late 1980's so the East German's did not make any of this brand of Alcohol in 88 and 89.

    My Russian Friend's are not PRO-COMMUNISTS anymore.

    They were Patriot's of the Soviet Union at one time but after they discovered how the High Ranking Communist Leadership was living HIGH OFF THE HOG as they wanted for NOTHING while my Friends who worked very hard now have to SCRAPE TOGETHER A LIVING as several of them and their Families were promised PUBLIC HOUSING as part of their RETIREMENT from a LIFETIME OF SOVIET MILITARY AND KGB AND GRU SERVICE and what they got was NO RETIREMENT PAYMENTS.....HAD TO WAIT 10 YEARS JUST TO GET INTO MOSCOW HIGHRISE TENAMENT HOUSING that the State pay's for but these buildings are decrepid and were build very poorly as they are falling apart and in many apartments the heating systems do not work nor does Hot Water.....so many Tenant's have cut holes in either the windows or cut holes right through the exterior concrete and rebar to allow them to install WOOD STOVE EXHAUSTS.

    I have seen this with my own eye's.

    They worry about their Children who because they were able to get them into Russian Universities worry now because their kid's have degree's but cannot find work so many of their children are either moving to Europe or moving to the United States which has a MASSIVE Russian American Population.

    There are currently estimated to be 7.2 Million Russian American's living in the United States and if we add in American's of Russian Decent it increases to 28.6 Million Russian American's.

    Since there is only about 150 Million Russian's in Russia....this means that this number is almost 1/5th of the total population of Russia that live in the U.S. as Russian American's.

    You can understand why so many Russian's find it easy to move to the United States.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    The current Constitution of Russia was imposed on them at the begining of the US looting of the Russia, that President Putin stopped.
    Eventually, Russians will get rid of the Wall Street Banker imposed constitution and establish the Constitution (Health) of the Russian people and the God of Life and Love (Jesus Christ) be paramount.
     
  10. AboveAlpha

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    This is absolute B.S.!!!!!

    We paid out over $300 Billion to run a mutiple decades long program WHICH IS STILL RUNNING as we have U.S. Military Biological Weapons Destruction Teams along with members of the CDC....the U.S. Center for Disease Contol Teams in Russia right now cleaning up Soviet Bioweapons Labs which if you know Russia...these Labs are not that far outside of Moscow although the vast number of Bioweapons were stored in former Soviet States.

    We FORCED the European's to forgive Soviet Debt to allow a new democratic Russia's Economy room to grow.

    We forced the other members of the G-7 to include Russia in a G-8.

    We spent at least $3 Billion trying to stabalize the Russian Economy back in the very late 1990's and then in the 2000's.

    And we offered to help Russia develop Siberian Infrastructure and use High Tech. U.S. Oil and Natural Gas Companies methods of locating Oil and Natural Gas reserves in Siberia.

    As there is LESS OIL being pumped out of Western Siberia now then there was 13 years ago.

    AboveAlpha
     
  11. sharik

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    bread lines might occur only in remote regions of the USSR and only due to disruption of bread delivery as an accident.

    on the contrary, USSR subsidised every Soviet republic and helped them build there infrastructure literally from scratch.

    that's a lie. USSR is known for sending its own crops abroad, not the other way around.

    care to provide a link to that story?

    traitors?.. then you take the word of traitors on it?

    not nearly compared to how the rulers of the West, namely the Rockfellers and Rothshields, are living.

    i already asked you to provide info concerning the location of that building and the year this happened, but you still delay with it. Russian housing regulation are strict and do not allow anything of the above described outlandishness to happen.

    you think that's enough?.. without a proper investigation you already jumped to conclusion? Russia has got the best housing sysem in the world, using central heating to provide every house with heat to such an extent that you even have sometimes to open windows during the winter.

    that's a lie. Russia currently suffers huge underemployment, so you will find a job, unless you're a spoilt brat.

    yeah, descendants... ever tried to count Jews there?

    should leave out the descendants and let's not blow things out of proportion.

    no, i've no slightest idea why one might want to leave Russia right at this moment whilst the life here is better than elsewhere in the world.

    paid to destroy other countries defence?

    destroying the Soviet heritage?.. but who gave you the right to do so?

    that's lies. Soviet debt had not been forgiven and has been paid off by Putin relatively recently.

    yeah, so this is why Russia was struck by a severe crisis in 1998 precisely, huh?

    keep your greedy hands off other countries natural resources, please.
     
  12. AboveAlpha

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    You and I have gone round and round over these same exact questions and answers but there is a new reply from you that makes absolutely no sense so if you could clarify please?

    I posted that my friends kid's in Russia went to University and got degreees but are finding it impossible to get a job in Russia right now so many of them are leaving for Europe or the U.S. to get jobs.

    YOU replied with this and I quote...."Russia currently suffers huge underemployment, so you will find a job, unless you're a spoilt brat."...end quote sharik.

    This makes no sense at all.

    If Russia is suffering from a state of huge underemployment.....this could mean several things as it could mean that due to Russia's current Economic Depression there simply is not enough jobs thus the vast amount of Russian's are under employed.....or it could mean there are more JOBS available than candidates which we all know is not true or possible as Russia is in a state of economic depression thus there simply do not exist enough JOBS in Russia for those seeking work.

    There has been for many decades a mass exodus of SKILLED AND EDUCATED WORKERS from Russia such as scientists and engineers and physicists who have come to the United States for work as there is always room for such people here....but there are not many JOBS in Russia for kids just coming out of University with a degree.

    Please explain what you ment?

    AboveAlpha
     
  13. sharik

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    i meant the number of jobs in Russia exceeds that of the specialists available to take them up, and this has been an issue since long ago, nothing to do with any particular era. Russia has never suffered unemployment. Russians might be going West for one reason that they want Western salaries while Russian taxes when back home... for instance, a buddy of mine goes to Canada every now and then to work there but lives in Moscow; so when you say 'russians living in america' you should count only those who got the citizenship, because all the rest are merely money hunting and tax avoiding persons; explains it all. America has higher salaries and higher taxes & cost of living. Russia has lower salaries and no taxes & much lower cost of living.
     
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    What blacks do you mean? Becase for russians 'blacks' are peoples from Caucasus :) Like Highlanders with different style of life.
    Africans feel free in Russia. Actually there are only small amout of them - mostly they are students from africans countries.
     
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    Dzerzhinsk is a city with bad ecology due to chemical plants and where some waste is stored in open air and need to be utilized properly.
    But Dzerzhinsk is not a place of slums due to povetry like Manilla.
     
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    About different places.
    This is the Barabinsk - small town near Novosibirsk ( Siberia ).
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    This is the railroad station of Omsk ( Siberia )
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    This is a railroad station of Novosibirsk inside.
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    New campus ( I mean hostels ) of Novosibirsk State University
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    Yes....and that is the problem.

    One of my Russian friend's kid's has a degree in Engineering...specifically he designs Bridges, Tunnels, Highways...etc.

    He cannot find work i Russia that pays anymore than what some High School kid get's paid working at a 7/11.

    Thus he is going to be heading out of Russia to the U.S.

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    You mix salaries in US in $ with russian's rubles accourding to exchange rate.

    ... and he is a dreamer.
     
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    A dreamer?

    Have you checked the numbers of Russian's with degrees that have left Russia to work in Europe and the U.S.?

    There are very large Russian/American Communities in the U.S. at 7.1 Million of the over 28 Million Russian American's are FIRST GENERATION....as they are the first Russian American's in their Families.

    Russian's who come here understand that a person does not have to give up or ose their Heritage to become a U.S. Citizen.

    Thus we have new once Russian now American Citizen's in the Multiple Millions.

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    Very few if you check immigration of last 5 years in comparing with amout of students that obtain engineering degree every year.
    For US he does not have CV and recommendations - indian or chinees student who has left a college in US will be much more preferable especially if he already obtained grants and has experience.
    And you forgot that there are a lot of colleges in US.
     
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    It is the dream of every parent around the world to be able to get their kid into an American College or University.

    And yes....there are literally THOUSANDS of Colleges and Universities in the United States and my own home state of Massachusetts has over 100 of which many are the best on the Planet such as MIT, Harvard, Amherst, Smith, Boston College, U-Mass, Brandeis, Tufts.....here is a link.
    LINK....https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colleges_and_universities_in_Massachusetts

    This is just ONE STATE out of 50.

    But still Russian's who obtain a degree in Russia cannot earn anywhere near what they can in the States.

    AboveAlpha
     
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