The right wing did NOT win the debate.

The right wing is FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGING our society, in ways that they intend will be wrenching, to undo. The changes were not debated, nor tested.

They rely on right wing radio to bolster their claims. The changes are not ran thru normal channels, nor is there anything like transparency, to even judge the efficacy.

The right wing DID NOT win the debate. There was no agreement, that the first heartbeat is proof of pain potential. There is no agreement that there are SAFE boundaries between medically necessary abortion and MURDER. This is intended to scare off any doctor that might want to help women in distress.

We are working towards legitimate rape, discrimination and redlining.

All this, while calling any of us concerned as DERANGED. And when we in our shock and horror, vote in numbers never before imagined, the right wing will scream voter fraud, and illegals voting, collusion with enemies, and the entirety of the society against them, except the right wing saviour, Fox News.

The changes they are making to society, are in the form of Luddite changes, as they are meant to break things, not simply change, but RUIN.

We are likely, to face dire world and economic conditions, set up by the chaos of this period. And a storehouse that was cleared, and given away to the rich.

What we are facing, is a far worse future, for having had our society stripped, of agreed upon traditions and civility. And we will do it all alone, as the right wing has lashed out at the world, with the same ferocious DEPLORABILITY they honed on their countrymen.

We are to be persona non grata.

For this reason, it may not be such a bad idea, to elect Biden, to give some continuity to when we were still a decent nation, under Obama. Maybe they will soon enough forget the hatred, anger, discrimination, insults and general deplorableness of our great nation.

There is LITERALLY, nothing CONSTRUCTIVE about Trump. As in his business, he does not construct, he slaps his FAKE{drumpf} name on things others have built. It is all deconstruction.

The right wing wants Trump, to be the guy that dismantles a company just bought, to sell off parts, and throw away the rest. This is the model of their aims. They will improve their own lot, by ruining the lot of most others.

Which is fine by them, as it is those city dwellers that will pay the price. And they should suffer anyway. Serves them right.

The right wing did NOT win the debate.

 

The left wing is FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGING our society, in ways that they intend will be wrenching, to undo. The changes were not debated, nor tested.

They rely on left wing media to bolster their claims. The changes are not ran thru normal channels, nor is there anything like transparency, to even judge the efficacy.

And so on and so on and so on....

 

So, I know you are, but what am I? And, fox smells its own hole first. And, Im rubber, youre glue. And, etc/

 

I thought deadnaming was violence?

 

Other than the OP being a complete hit piece for you to vent your dislike of Republicans and Trump, was there actually something to be discussed in there?

 

YEah, when did the right wing win the debate? When did society deem Trump dictator?

 

I very much agree with you. I'm pretty sure that the end game of the Republican Party is a society of lords and peasants, which, in many ways describes their demographics.

 

So the answer to my question, is a resounding no.

Just for the record, I do not agree with what has been put forth in Alabama, but nor do I feel New York is a sane option. Both sides pushing extremes. But just as over the years, a number of States have shoved laws through to please the majority of their inhabitants, other States don't.

So pick your State with care, where you will feel coddled, loved, and hope it never swings the wrong way.

 

What changes?

 

Oregon is the polar opposite of Alabama. In Oregon, there are programs available, where any woman can get an abortion, regardless of her ability to pay for it. There are even volunteers are at the ready, for transportation and other needs. Same with breast cancer, yet moreso. But then, there is quite a bit more equality between the sexes than in Alabama

 

Shifting tax policy and regulations to give the wealthy an extra edge over everyone else. It use to be that an average man could graduate from school, get a job,and with that job support a wife, four or five children, two cars, a dog, cat, and yearly vacations.

The pool of people who can do that has become increasingly smaller. As wages have failed to keep up, the wealthiest have become even wealthier. According to Thomas Jefferson's writings, this is the worse possible scenario for a country to find itself in: Where the wealthy can buy the government they want.

 

What metric are you using to judge equality between sexes by state? The abortion rates of Alabama and Oregon are both below national average. Most estimates show only a small difference between the two.

 

You are as crazy wrong as you can be. It was Obama who declared a few days before the 2008 election that he will "fundamentally change the United States of America!"

 

Projection on a grand scale...

 

Yes, that is a bad thing.
Which changes specifically made that happen?

 

Lords and peasants has been the end game of both parties for many years. It is the end game of welfare capitalism/social democracy/neoliberalism.

 

The difference, is in Oregon one has a choice. One has the freedom to decide, without the coercion of the state.

 

That seems to be a common theme from conservatives, "you are just as bad as us". No, I am not.

 

So you can't think of a single positive change the Republican Party has made in the last 40 years? Neither can I.

 

Unfortunately there is no positive outward sign of when pain occurs in a fetus. I think it is horrible to risk causing pain to a fetus just because we do not know exactly when it occurs in a fetus.

We go to great lengths to insure that no pain is caused during the execution of a criminal, but do not give similar consideration to a completely innocent unborn child.

 

I didnt say anything about you and I, my post was about the Republican and Democratic parties.

 

I won the debate?

Do I get a prize?

 

Lets qualify this by saying that neither side is without faults....

But the clear truth is that the list of crazy proposals out today is absolutely dominated by the left.

You have posed this with as an argument over new abortion laws in some states- and then proceeded to make it a "Trash Trump" rant.

If you just want to say the new abortion laws are wrong- I'm with you, they are dictatorial and not rational. However, that kind of irrationality is not the common denominator of the right- but of the left, which seems to thing that taking the alternate polarity to anything depends on it's political origin rather than it's substance.

 

Im asking if you can list any specific changes that are causing the problem you mentioned.

An example would be inflated housing costs. In the last ~60 years the average cost of housing has risen 1000% relative to average income. The primary cause of this is residencial property investment- the practice of storing residencial property as wealth is inflating the value and thus the cost.

However, the claim that its the fault of a political party seems unlikely. In the case of property investment, I highly doubt the left or the right has any major responsibility over the other.

What I'm asking for are examples of specific changes that back up your (and OPs) claim that the right wing are solely (or even mostly) responsible for the increasing income disparity. You can make claims all day, but without demonstrating the how they are just so much empty virtue signaling.

 

I fail to see how it’s an equality between men and women issue. Is that because the text of the new law doesn’t prohibit men having abortions? That seems like a loophole you’d want to exploit, not draw attention to.