The Rise of the Far Right In Europe

You haven't managed to respond to a single argument I've presented so far with anything but a few repeated claims which you also fail to back up with any kind of evidence. If your beliefs requires a big international conspiratorial network of media continually deceiving the public without any apparent motive you should seriously consider to reevaluate your opinions. A thing is not true just because you've read it somewhere on the internet. The Sweden Democrats are a big joke getting it's air from internet myths, and will probably go the same way as New Democracy.

 

Well in that case you have nothing to worry about. Ignore us racist old fools and march onward to your glorious multicultural future. I couldnt be happier for you.

 

Well, too much immigration is a danger. It's a danger when they can be hired for less than local workers because they will be and they will displace local workers from jobs. Not only this, but because the companies, industries, etc are able to hire at such paltry wages, other competition is forced to try an compete with them by slashing their own costs which leads to increasingly diminished wages and benefits across the board. The other bad things that can come of this I am not sure about but those are bad enough.

The propaganda, however, attempts to inflate this or mischaracterize this by shifting blame away from where it really belongs- the employers and the government which supports it (via inactivity). They also then demonize these people by attributing all sorts of other things to them. Had the immigrants to America been predominantly Muslim, people would have pointed to that as the definitive reason for terrorist attacks in America (as abysmally low as they are). They also attribute to them a malignant purpose, as if they are purposefully coming here to do harm (Mexicans), or that they are lazy, stupid, and unwilling to naturalize to their surroundings (which is beyond untrue).

I think it's a situation that is supported by both left and right- just in their own way. But now that I think about it, rising immigration seems to be a worldwide problem for the first-rate nations. Almost as if the local labor base were being deliberately diluted in order to force the wages and salaries of every worker down. (that's just me thinking) Interesting...

 

What most people fail to realize is that population and demographic studies have determined Europe's future is already determined.

In just 39 years, for example, France will be an Islamic republic.

The rest of Europe will go the same way.

So, what does that say about America?

Seven minutes long, this video should change the tenor of this debate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU&feature=youtube_gdata_player

 

that crap has been thoroughly debunked. There are braindead lefties here, dont let them think that that is the strongest case that can be made -,-

 

I cannot understand how a Finnish guy can hate so much their own system, but well, that is normal taking in consideration that in some areas of Finland the neo-fascism is increasing.

I remember when I was in Joensuu seeing many.

 

Finland is one of the few countries in Europe that doesnt have an active far right movement. Partly because the immigration madness hasnt reached critical levels and partly because we have a real opposition.

...And what the hell were you doing in Joensuu?

 

Living there for almost a year... for studies. Mina opiskelin Ita-suomen yliopistolla.

 

I'll start by adressing your title and linked article. It's grouping together breivik with front national, geert wilders, and the sweden democrats. Id est, showing it's just biased left wing (*)(*)(*)(*) as we expect, or that they truly are such political illiterates that they really believe it to be true. I ask, what's so "far" right with wanting to limit massive near opendoor immigration when you can't afford it anymore without cutting down on care for the elderly? Is it extremist to not want immigrants to get half of their wages payed for by the government, id est discriminating against the natives in the labour market? Although, it h this common sense that we're so unused to these days could very well be percieved as far right if looking from the radical far left which has been in charge of europe.

I think people are naturally conservative, and this backlash against crazy leftism is a result of them trying to push down multiculturalism and feminism too fast and too far down our throats. Grand social engineering projects like this need more time if the people can still exercise their democratic rights. It was different under the soviets because the people couldn't do anything. It all went to fast, people can see the madness clearly and they vote.

That depends on what you see as "your country". Racially, if you get tons of non white people into the country don't you think it will become less white? If you bring in immigrants, with different cultures obviously, and encourage them to keep their own culture, giving them right to interpreters, they have media in their own language, they have all officla services avaible in arabic, they live with their countrymen in enclaves WHILE you're saying that originally swedish is only barbarity, and calling our tradition pathetic and silly.. Would you be suprised if they don't turn into swedes? But you're a lefty so I assume you don't care about that to begin with. So i'll

use things that you might care about. It costs. You might not believe this, but I can give you sources, but Sweden is hiring old castles and villas (for mind numbing costs) to house asylum seekers. Sweden is giving ayslum seekers free access to education and healthcare. Sweden gives them all the benefits a swede could get, plus some special for immigrants, on arrival to sweden with a total often being bigger than that an average retiree recieves in pension. All this while our elders are geting cold food due to cuts, people are waiting in line for healthcare, and the school is crumbling. You don't think having an open border leads to criminals comming in here? We have plenty, and even if we catch them they aren't even deported.

I'd like to point out that it's not about immigrants per se. But we do have islamists in the riksdag. There's an ongoing scandal about one just now actually, but there are many others who people don't care about now. Most notable abdirisak waberi from somalia, iirc, who sits in our defence comittee. He's a former headmaster of a koranic school and has made statements, avabile on youtube, were he says that he want shariah and that men shouldn't shake hands with women, or something like that. in the defence comitte that's right.

yes basically. But never in this way; this hasn't happened before unless after an invasion. There's always been immigration but the swedes who went to america didn't get any benefits; they had to go out to the frontier and make their own living, being a burden to no one. The walloons who came to sweden in the 17th century were needed because of their skills and contributed greatly to sweden. Sweden has many german influences because we wanted to be more like the germans in some aspects, and later on the same with the french, english and americans. We voluntarily adopted good parts of their cultures, as it should be; and note that all of france didn't have to move to sweden foir that to happen. compare that to what we have now and you'll see the big difference.

You probably think you know that answer to these questions, but I kinda answered them already. immigrants can get, on arrival, more money from the gov than the average retiree; they can live in state funded castles; they don't have to compete with swedes for jobs because the gov pays half of their wages; they get free education and healthcare without having to pay taxes. What about that? is that fair?

 

Let focus on the main points however.

Mass immigrations was never agreed at any point in the history of europeans nations, they just had to cope with it.
We didn't asked brucellosis population. Do you want that 3/4 of your population come from far away foreign country to a point that the cities essentially become a foreigner colony ?

http://www.lesoir.be/238148/article...a-metissee-bruxelles-peine-gerer-sa-diversite

Of course this doesn't come unscaled. People start to leave as the city they once knew is no more. I'm talking about the native. This is valid for any native majority in the world. Chinese, Japonese, Austrialian. No-one want to suddenly live in a foreign country with different values and environment.
That why the noticable white-flight

The population reacts in 3 differents steps.

1. They try to minimize it. "they are not so much, they will eventually integrate, we are not so different". At this point they vote their usual traditional party.
2. Then they try to solve it gently " Well this is a problem we need to be toughter this can't go on. " At this point they will vote for either, traditional party who promise to cut immigrations and solve the problems of ghettos of immigrants or start trusting non-traditional parties
3. seeing that most of time traditional party have no interest/power in cutting immigration they resort to protest party. Divided in 2 groups.
Traditional "far right", which is regulary censored from political debate and actions as being facist, Nazi, xenophobic, antisemitistic even when it's not the case, in order to prevents voters from publicly supporting them. Note that far right is a terms used by their opponents, for exemple, i don't think BNP want to abolish democracy. National front in france is also following the rules and could be accuratly described as "national/patriotic right"
- New protestation party, the one that raise political issue about mass immigration, EU, austerity, banks domination. We can put UKIP and 5 Star movement from Beppe Grillo in Italy, but they are not exactly far right, i didn't hear anything that could tight the protestation parties to actual nazi/facist parties. Even then, as they are a threat to the establishement they are being branded by media as the usual "far right babies genocider" even if it's make politically no sense at all.

When someone find himself in a very dire situation, when someone have to get back early at home to avoid foreigner gangs. When he simply have to leave his hometown because of mass immigrations, criminality or unemployement, he won't care to be branded a "racist, facist, or whatevcer", he will go to anyone giving him a sensible solution. Especially since he noticed traditional parties tend to lie at each election .

If we can solve the problem threatening our way of live sensibly, we would get a common sense, yet anti-establishement party in europe. Probably patriotic and eurosceptic as well.
If we don't, and wait to be at the level of greece to react. People will start making police themselves and then we will have GD people in our street. No amount of "Anti facism" protests or media crying is going to change anything.
radical situations means radical politics.

 

The National Front is currently ahead of President Hollande’s Socialists in the latest polls and the FN is viewed favourably by 23 per cent of the electorate, slightly ahead of President Hollande (19 per cent). But Le Pen is one of only two FN members in the national parliament and the FN holds three of France’s 74 seats in the European Parliament and its rising poll numbers have not been translated into electoral success yet.

 

they dont have proportional system though, right? just like how it's holding back the ukip in the uk