The smug style in American liberalism

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  1. Belch

    Belch Well-Known Member

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    lol!!!!!!!!

    Sorry, but you have absolutely nothing in common with classical liberalism.

    Don't you have some "hate speech" to put down? Or Maybe you have some money to take away from somebody to give to somebody...

    else?

    ahh, yes you do.

    Sorry, but Marx and Engels really weren't into classical liberalism.
     
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    jduband stuff New Member

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    Evidently you missed the "international" part of my bank statement.
     
  3. Johnny-C

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    How about, the smug authoritarianism and arrogance of conservatism?

    Sounds like human beings are in the mix. Interesting article though.

    Move along folks; nothing to see here. :)
     
  4. Johnny-C

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    So much of that is illustrated by the candidate named, Donald J. Trump.
     
  5. TBryant

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    I see some degree of this from anybody who is dedicated to one side or the other.

    Groups of people operate on narratives that are incredibly prone to stereotyping. Beyond that we tend to think of our own protected groups as individuals and reduce the other sides to utilitarian statistics.

    I lean more towards the liberal side. I try to view everyone as individuals though, which is hard nowadays, with the right using the biggest stereotype I've ever seen as their presidential candidate... oh well
     
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    Dude...the post I was referring to was so out there...no argument was needed.
     
  7. hellofromwarsaw

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    Many are, obviously, and the billionaires who run the GOP propaganda service and the party ARE mainly greedy and shortsighted. "The no compromise, un-American TP GOP" -TIME is now seriously off the rails. All the orange idiot is serious about is cutting taxes on himself and starting a new propaganda channel...
     
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    One should never confuse intellectualism with indoctrination. I've never seen an intellectual liberal, just an indoctrinated one. But I was more interested in your tag line, as it demonstrates your indoctrination to liberal thought, not your ability to conceptualize or reason.

    Recent polls show that around 20% of the population of the US have no religion. When one looks into the demographics of people incarcerated in federal and state prisions one finds less than 1% have no religion. Clearly the claim of moral superiority that religious folk make is not supported by the evidence.

    How is that so? You see, it is far more likely that having no religion is what gets so many of those 20% into jail in the first place; but once there, they "find religion", as it is so often said, and thus the 20% shrinks to 1%. So simple, yet so elusive to a liberal mind.
     
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    Sounds like Detroit. Ah yes, "paradise."
    The highest crime rates are found in your "paradises" like Detroit, Chicago, New Orleans and Washington, D.C., where the highest percentage of unsolved murders in the country persists. A founding father said it is difficult to free slaves from the chains they love. This is a perfect definition of the Democrat Party.

    Detroit-problems.jpg
     
  10. ImNotOliver

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    I'm not into conspiracy theories. Much too pragmatic for that.
     
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    So you too have been deluded by conservative propaganda? You are so caught up in the silliness that you have no idea what modern liberalism, or classical liberalism for that matter, even are. Seems all conservatives have is fighting people and ideologies that dies out long ago.

    This is but another example of why conservatism is a dying bread. Even moderates see the silliness that conservatism has become.
     
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    Don't worry about him, that's just part of his personal narrative on why conservatives are better.

    Just remember when he points out that conservatives don't like to be told what to do, they share that trait with another group that generally thinks they know everything but in reality very much does not.

    Children.
     
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    You are way off topic. This is supposed to be a thread about liberal smugness. If you just want to parrot the Republican party line there are plenty of threads on this forum dedicated to that sort of thing.
     
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    Evidently you aren't that much into reading comprehension either.
     
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    Pay attention. Your liberal pal was blathering about the perfection of liberal nirvana. He was being smug, just as you are now. I am on precisely on point, and I don't parrot anything. I do a very great deal of research and present my own views. Any time anybody strays from Liberal Talking Points, people like you bring up "Republican party line" and sniff very smugly about how much smarter you are than any of them. Nor can you change from your smug condescension, as it has been ingrained in your very fiber for years.
     
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    Didn’t want an intelligent conversation anyhow, did you?
    Christian apologist is the term they use to describe people who think like you. That is someone who tries to explain away the fact that the Christian faith doesn’t square with reality.

    In this case you are having a problem with the fact that you have been brought up believing that the Christian faith makes people better people. Being as I rejected the whole god bit as a young child it has long been obvious to me that there were many “Christians” who were much worse people than I was. The falsehood of Christianity making people better people has long been recognized. People like Benjamin Franklin and Mark Twain got a lot of mileage out of pointing it out.

    Your cherished beliefs couldn’t possibly be in error, the reality of the world must be wrong. Is that not your thought process? Can you prove that 95% of atheists that are arrested suddenly decide to pretend that they are religious? That is absurd. A similar falsehood Christian apologists like to tell is that there are no atheists in fox holes. I’ve run into plenty of atheist veterans who will attest to that that often repeated falsehood is indeed false.

    So what have we got here? You are here calling me indoctrinated yet you are the one making a claim that can’t be backed up with any evidence – and certainly nothing that disproves the facts that I have provided.
     
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    I don't agree with you so I must have a reading comprehension problem?
     
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    Yea I know how you did your own research and don't parrot anything. It just so happens that your research and arguments sound just like something I heard on a right wing radio show - more than once. Hmmmm could it just be a coincidence? That is also where you got the term "Liberal Talking Points". Or did that come out one of those many books that tell conservatives how to think, how to argue with liberals? It isn't that I'm smug, or even condescending. It is more like I feel disdain for conservative "ideas" of which a great deal turn out to be mostly silliness.
     
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    You miss the point. I suspect purposely. Liberalism is about the perfection of the human condition - of everybody's condition.
     
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    Progressives are much more proficient at maintaining the socio economic high ground for the powered elites.
     
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    I am glad to support the zero borders cause if I am relieved of paying for the social safety net that immigrants more often than not support and rely upon.
     
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    ahhh... the left!

    Do you realize that you said absolutely nothing here? I don't think you do. You probably think you said a great deal.

    Did you know that classical liberals value free speech and individual rights such as the right to defend themselves? Did you know that classical liberals view the state as an unfortunate necessity, and its powers should be limited only to certain functions such as national defense? That the state has no right to tell people what to do, but only what not to do?

    No, you didn't. You had no clue. That's why you were able to write what you wrote.
     
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    This is a perfect example of the op's point. We can't let people make decisions based upon economic realities, we need to force them into the decision that we believe is best for them. Now, we have compact florescent bulbs in our closet that are dim until we turn it back off.
     
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    The use of the language of "silliness" and "propaganda" in the absence of an argument is a trait I find disturbingly popular from the left on this site. As a Liberal, this greatly disturbs me.
     
  25. hellofromwarsaw

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    Yup, that's why they want to raise taxes on the rich, forever.
     

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