The solution to men's incursions into women's sports

What demands? Shirley, you jest.

The demand is that trans women be accepted as "women, period!" and as a result be admitted onto wrestling mats and track courses and girls' high school locker rooms alongside real women.

Those demands.

 

I'm agnostic on religion. For me the problem is that if women's sports are open to transgendered men then, over time, transgendered men will come to hold all women's sports records.

 

Hi again, Le Chef.

My opinion counts for little, I'm afraid. Anyhow, here it is.

I should like to see men in sports compete against men who have not been given an artificial leg up through drugs or through surgery.

I should like to see women in sports compete against women who have not been given an artificial leg up through drugs or through surgery.

And yes, in the above I'm equating gender-changing through drugs or surgery as having an unfair advantage -- a leg up.

That said, I've no way of knowing how this will all turn out. We may end up seeing three or four gender categories in sports. And maybe not.

Regards, stay safe 'n well.

 

True but as I pointed out earlier - why not use a criteria like that used in the para Olympic Games? I.e. a “handicap” system

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_people_in_sports

 

Because then you have athletes rendered eligible because of drug use. Not to mention the sexism inherent in governing women's sports under rules created for the handicapped athletes of the para-Olympics.

 

And that could be an answer. Follow the model set by the Polynesian cultures and accept four genders

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...veal-rare-glimpse-ancient-mahu-community.html

 

Ah there it is again. The conservative line used when they really mean we want our masses uneducated.

 

Yes, it is.

I'm fine with transgenders if they compete in accordance with their sex.

Yes, that's exactly my agenda.

Actually, no, I'd like to see people develop a firm grasp of basic human biology. Some as we see, do not.

 

Why not have those handicaps in place no matter what? We opened the Transgender/intersex/DSD box and now the genie will not fit back in the box. Thing is this problem is not about to go away any time soon given the level of EDCs interfering with sexual development

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6525581/

 

Well, you could start with my thread on gender diversity in the health forum as it DOES address the science - which I can assure you is waaaaaaay more complex than the likes of Marjorie Taylor Greene believes

 

That's a whole lotta words for saying literally nothing.

This has nothing to do with "Christian". It has to do with women's sports, women who have worked hard their entire lives to get to where they are, only to be pushed back in line by biological men who are biologically larger and stronger.

 

But they're not women and never will be. So there's that.

 

I have never seen a discussion on why we should allow transgender athletes to compete with their biological opposites.

Can the proponents please inform me? Like what is it important?

 

You mean you haven't heard the argument as to why we should?

 

The better solution is simpler, IMHO. You compete according to your birth-assigned gender, period.

 

Indeed! Or forced to go through an unintended, unwanted, life threatening, non viable or forced pregnancy against their will. I would say that, for us women, this is an issue far, far down the list of concerns facing us today. But hey, as long as we can take a swipe at 'the trannies', let's be up in arms about it.

 

Correct. I don’t know what the argument for allowing it is. To have a meaningful dialogue I need to know their point of view. True leadership starts with knowledge and not emotion.

 

One of them will presumably speak up momentarily, but I think it starts with the fact that they actually believe that "Transwomen are women, period." And the "period" means that if you question the assertion, you are transphobic and even hateful.

Here are some arguments. What do you think of them?

Pro Arguments
1.
It would promote inclusivity and cuts down discrimination.
By including trans women in sports, it becomes easier for society to see them in a more positive light, which would reduce discrimination against them.

2.
Excluding trans people based on their gender is harmful to their mental health.
Many trans or L.G.B.T.Q. athletes who have come out only to face hostility and negativity from the public have been known to suffer breakdowns and mental health issues.

3.
Excluding trans women from female categories perpetuates stereotypes.
By excluding trans women with arguments such as biological unfairness, it perpetuates the stereotype that they are not women, despite them identifying as such.

4.
It allows for members of a marginalized community to make an impact.
Many trans athletes who join such events and win leave a mark on history, and also serve as a rallying point for members of their community.

5.
It would create greater diversity in sports.
By allowing for the participation of transgender athletes, sporting competitions become more representative of real-life diversity and normalizes difference.

 

I don't know who's up in arms. We are having a policy debate.

 

Interesting. Would love to hear from a supporter.

 

School district having a tough time loose gender policies won't mean men expose themselves to abd bathe with young girls.

'After an 18-year-old male in a Wisconsin school approached four 14-year-old females in a girls’ locker room shower, exposed his genitals and bathed with them, citing his gender identity as a woman, the school district says its policies do not “condone” such behavior.'

So, parents have asked to see the communicated and enforced policy that shows that 'coed nudity is prohibited for gender-confused students.'

'The district’s lawyers in their May 10 response demanded at least $11,000 to fulfill the institutes’s open-records request for communications between district and East High School officials, messages to and from teachers, counselors and board members, and meeting or calendar invitations “related to” the alleged March 3 incident.'



Will Dirtbag Merrick declare these parents to be 'domestic terrorists' and have the corrupt FBI raid their homes or conduct illegal data searches on them?

'The Sun Prairie school district is trying to charge @WILawLiberty $11,000 for PUBLIC records on the transgender locker room controversy there. Outrageous. #breaking #transgender #wisconsin @libsoftiktok'

'The district has never charged "location costs" for previous requests, which suggests it is "hiding something."

'AMERICAN PARENTS: THIS IS A WAR ON YOUR DAUGHTERS! “A student who is transgender, nonbinary, or gender expansive will be permitted to access the men's/women's segregated restrooms in accordance with the student’s gender identity that the student regularly asserts at school and in… Show more'

 

I don't think the part of the Left that so aggressively promoting the culture war want a solution, they want conflict.

 

A bit of an overreaction...just a bit...

 

I don't what the answer is, but I guess my first question is, how much of an "issue" is this? I mean, I don't see headlines about it much at all, those headlines being, transgendered women wins all the sports. So this feels a bit like a solution in search of a problem...

 

I agree that it will be resolved. I believe the point of creating the thread was to discuss HOW it should be resolved.