The state of the vaccines

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  1. kreo

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    the purpose of vaccine is to force an obedience not to kill the bug.
     
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    James California Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    ~ Exactly. It's all about psychology - not science. All you have to do is pay attention.
    The dumbing-down continues unabated -- for now . :blankstare:'
    ~ Some people need to pretend - when they are not saving Covid patients or eating caviar and sipping Dom Perignon on their yacht It's what the internet is for . :wink:
     
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    You are making too much sense here :smile:
     
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    CenterField Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You didn't; my booster was November 9th.
     
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    Yesterday during 4 of the approximately 30 professional football matches in England there were stoppages due to heart problems in the crowd. One of the spectators died, all 4 taken to hospital. Since Christmas there have been 3 other matches that I know of which occurred on the same day where a similar event occurred though no one died but all taken to hospital. And I am only aware of these 3 games in one day because I support one of the teams. Little doubt there have been other occurrences which didn't make the news because no one died.

    What is going on? In the past we may have had one stoppage per season due to an emergency in the crowd. This needs investigating.
     
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    When's your next one ?
    Will it be monthly now.... forever?
     
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    WTF.???
     
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    And how long does “natural immunity” from catching the virus last?
     
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    COVID is not a pneumonia it is an endothelial disease that attacks the lining of the blood vessels. It can continue in the system for up to eight weeks even though the patient is asymptomatic
     
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    I'm not convinced that these events are due to Covid. As you may know I am pro-vaccine though I now have my doubts about the phizer vaccine safety.

    I stated in my post that an investigation should occur. I don't know the vaccine status or ages of those spectators that needed hospital treatment. These events in my post above occurred in a sports event that lasts just a couple of hours. Clearly during the rest of the day similar events are happening elsewhere.

    A couple of months ago someone, an anti-vaxer, created a thread about professional footballers suddenly collapsing or dying on the football pitch in Europe. I tried to research articles to debunk their theory. I could only find independent articles giving occurrences of these sort of events going back over many years and they effectively backed up the anti-vaxer claims. The articles which were not about vaccines, just occurrences, showed a spike in these type of events in the last year or so. Phizer was the main vaccine used in Europe.
     
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    WTF is a purpose to force people to get vaccinated if we all know that vaccines had ZERO effect on COVID pandemic.
    I do not have any explanation why we all need to be vaccinated other then to use pandemic to implement totalitarian policies.
     
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    Oh! Dear!
    We know that vaccines save lives

    As for being “totalitarian” - Did the big bad needle scare?
     
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    Someone being forced to inject something into their body that they don't want does cause people distress. You would be incredibly ignorant to not acknowledge that.

    And the more you force them, the more you scare them.
     
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    Tell me how?
    Tell me how vaccines have saved lives .
    All I see is that more people have died in 2021 from COVID (according to CDC) vs 2020 (Unvaccinated)

    If vaccines provide any help, then we should see less number COVID deaths in 2021 comparing to 2020.
     
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    The ratio of unvaccinated people dying compared to vaccinated people dying is much higher. Perhaps you could explain why if the vaccine had zero effect?
     
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    The delta variant was more contagious and lethal than the variants that were around in 2020
     
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    By how many times it is more contagious and lethal?
    Do you have any source?
    You do understand that it needs to be 7-8 times (700 - 800%) more contagious and 10-15 times more deadly then Alpha variant in order to produce that many deaths among unvaccinated.
     
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    I think the worst thing I've seen during this whole thing was a PSA in which a bunch of young people are excited to take the vaccine. All said they believed doing so would get them back to a normal life. Not one of these kids NOT ONE, said they were doing this because they were scared of the virus and though the vaccine would protect them. Not one. That is outrageous.
     
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    We can only compare death numbers of vaccinated and unvaccinated people during any specific period of time. And we see that the ratio of deaths of unvaccinated people compared to vaccinated people is much higher
     
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    :bleh: ~ Even countries that have very close to 100% vaccinated — Gibraltor, Ireland, Singapore or Israel, for example — are seeing huge outbreaks of covid. That is because it is very common to get covid if you are vaccinated. Vaccinated people can also spread covid because this vaccine gives no immunity.

    ~ The great social engineering experiment of the western hemisphere.

    ~ The dumbing down of society continues ...
     
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    Yes, the specific period is 1 year, the smaller periods are not statistically significant.
    The point is that the so called "scientists" claim that vaccines reduce probability of death by15 times, but when we look at the real numbers taken over period of time, we do not see any reduction in deaths.
     
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    What is the rate of deaths of vaccinated people and what is the rate of deaths of unvaccinated people that have died in that one year?
     
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    Yes, it would be interesting to see total numbers.
    I could not find it. What CDC does is to throw some kind of research paper where measurements are done in one - two months periods.
    They can easily publish total vaccinated vs unvaccinated deaths for the whole year.
    For some reason they are not doing it.
     
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    How about the log view.
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    Just googled and seems it's not a new phenomenon as there are several pre-pandemic articles, others Jan 2020, studies done in 2014 etc etc. - lots being from your part of the world, if I'm correct in thinking you're in the UK. Then there's that thing when once you start looking...

    Sounds like the combo of stress/over-excitement, mixed with extra booze, late nights, etc. etc. takes its toll.

    Quick grab of articles:

    Watching Euro 2020 could bring on a HEART ATTACK: Cases rise by more than 5% during big summer football matches, study warns

    • Scientists analysed hospital admissions in Germany during the 2014 World Cup
    • Compared to the month after, heart attack cases rose by 5.4 per cent
    • Hormones released during stress can lead to clots that cut off blood to the heart
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/science...ases-rise-5-football-matches-study-warns.html

    Football fans are 'at risk of a heart attack' due to intense levels of physical stress while watching their team play, Oxford researchers claim
    • Research has found that fans are at risk of a heart attack watching football
    • The Oxford study revealed that cortisol levels are increased during live games
    • The cortisol hormone increases blood pressure and causes a strain on the heart
    • The research tested stress levels of Brazil fans during their 7-1 loss to Germany
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...rt-attack-intense-levels-physical-stress.html

    Scientists claim watching your football team win could kill you as it increases risk of heart attack

    And while there was little evidence of a link in the general population, in men under the age of 55 incidents soared by 40 per cent. The trend was in part due to lifestyle choices made around the time of a match, the study concluded.

    One of its authors, Dr Quoc Hung Ly, said: "Previous studies have suggested that unhealthy behavioural changes including increased alcohol consumption, heavy and fatty meals, smoking, drug use, or sleep deprivation may have additive effects on the link between sporting events and increased cardiovascular risk in spectators.

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/scientists-claim-watching-your-football-12321063
     
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