I agree Mine too. I personally have never had any hostility towards your people. I do not judge people by lineage or ethnicity.
Seems like most all groups of people have been slaves at one time in history. Almost all have gotten over it.
This is posted to add to this topic. http://www.history.com/news/ask-history/what-part-of-africa-did-most-slaves-come-from
There are several Black non-profits that seek to spread the message of thanking Whites for their efforts to get Blacks out of Africa even if it was through the slave trade saving them from the tribulations of living on that continent. The mainstream media doesn't want you to know about it unfortunately. To your point though, these folks are very grateful to White people.
What difference would that make? The fact of the matter is that the war was fought because SOUTHERN states seceded from the UNION...and they seceded because of the Union's opposition to slavery. New Jersey did not secede from the Union, Scamp.
The North had plenty to do with slavery in the USA. And then they worked hard on the constitution which provided for slavery. We today get very out of kilter over events of a long time back.
I would say a few in the North objected to slavery. The majority of Americans living in the north simply did not care. As a matter of fact, even in the South some objected to slavery. Abe waged an illegal war over people voting for their own personal freedom. Slavery was an economy. So for the South to want to save it's economy is quite understandable. The North ruined the South for much longer than the end of the Civil war. And is proud of themselves.
Like I already said secession was legal. Nothing in the Constitution prevented secession. In fact our country was born of secession from England. And slavery was legal also. Had been since the beginning of our country. The South, being better at capitalism, turned slavery into a billion dollar per year enterprise. Name one single time in history, that someone gave up a legal, billion dollar per year, enterprise.
Lincoln stated in the Senatorial debate with Douglas 1858...that he had never been in favor of negroes being allowed to vote, or to be jurors, or to hold public office. Just to show ignorance of the matter, Obama has said that Lincoln is his favorite President. And Obama went to Harvard.
The quality, & integrity of the people who have, in order to gain, or hold public office, invoked Lincoln, not only in many instances, show dishonor to the man, but would see him doing cartwheels in his grave.
In his case, it was just politics. Abe feared the South would get military help from Europe. Here is the thing so many miss. First, we all covet our right to vote. We see voting is more important than church is. Some will put voting above family. So when the public living in the South took votes, the public wanted out of the Union. Not that many of the South owned slaves, most did not own slaves. But the public in the South wanted the right to vote for a leader. And Abe did not fit that bill. I think for many years people were expecting only important people to become president. Abe was a small town lawyer from Illinois. What I find so strange about the love for Abe is that Bush invaded Iraq and waged war on Afghanistan. For that he is hated. Abe invaded VA and of course more states and he gets called great. What Abe left behind has still never been cured. Blacks still hate whites in this country.
I like to recommend to readers the great book about Lincoln by Herbert Donald. The book ought to be required at least in high school. Wow, Atlanta won today. It seemed Rogers was going to win.
So true. Lincolns own family were slave owners (Mordecai Lincoln). And Lincoln married into a prominent slave owning family (the Todd's) but he is considered a hero to many Blacks and liberals. That's what this thread is about, ignorance of the truth about slavery. Why is the truth about slavery so unknown to so many?
"Our republican system was meant for a homogeneous people. As long as blacks continue to live with the whites they constitute a threat to the national life. Family life may also collapse and the increase of mixed breed bastards may some day challenge the supremacy of the white man." . . . . A. Lincoln
I'm not negating anything you state. I guess, much like Honest Abe, he saw a benefit to being flexibe, even if he personally thought in other terms. The South saw their rights being violated. They were completely dependent upon slavery, in order to compete in the common market of American trade. It's an interesting parallel to today actually. Throughout our country's history, "Great" people have been expected to gain the office of POTUS. Even to the point of elevating people of questionable character to the level of greatness, in order to be considered for the position, as not just this POTUS election cycle has seen. Bush's perceived hatred, is due primarily to the same things Hillary's hatred is based upon. The motivations. Bush's motivations were based on false information. Granted, exposed well after the fact, but whatever. Black on white hatred, and he reverse, I propose, is largely manufactured hostility, fomented by the extremes of the Left, & Right.
Those whom support Outlaw Abe still never get it. They may die and still never have gotten it. Imagine today if Obama took tens of thousands of troops and used them to invade your state? Why? Because you don't approve of him.
Lincoln, as a lawyer, went to court and argued that a runaway slave woman, and her children, be returned to their rightful slave owner. (Matson slave case). And Lincoln is known as "the great emancipator". Define ignorance.
Yep.... - - - Updated - - - Depending on the results of the POTUS election, don't think this is out of he realm of possibility.
There are always ways to get informed. I like to start with the true experts. As you are the expert of your life, your past and your experiences, were I examining you, i would start with you. As you would with me. I started with the books by the following General Tommy Franks; General Mike DeLong, George W. Bush; Donald Rumsfeld; Ambassador Bremer, Dick Cheney along with others. I have had harpoons tossed my way for reading those books and was told to read books by non experts. Those books can be traced for accuracy due to extensive footnotes and the indexes of authority. Let's run back to see who believed Saddam had WMD. We start with Bush 41. He thought Saddam had them. Then we move to Clinton. Clinton made a huge deal out of Saddam having WMD. Yet of those presidents, only Bush 43 is called a liar. Clinton did not dispose of the WMD. I know where it went. General Georges Sada told the entire story. Democrats of course call the Iraqi General a liar. They can't explain why Sada would lie about Saddam but they certainly love to call him a liar. Sada says the WMD was taken during the Bush 43 time frame into Syria. So, was it false for Bush to say? Sada essentially defended GW Bush for the claims.
Abe also never stated he waged war over slavery. Abe could have not invaded. Then there would not have been a war called the civil war. The South was in good shape prior to his war against them. Had he not invaded, the South would have been far ahead today than they are. Abe did lasting destruction to the South. Then his believers call him great. Go figure.
