The truth about slavery

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  1. Scamp

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    It is also worthy of note that a very low percentage of African Slaves were imported to North America, maybe 5% or less. Well over 90% of African slaves went to the West Indies and South America.
     
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    You would think that since Blacks were slaves, they would be educated on the truths about slavery, right? But that is not so. I'll bet that almost every week bus loads of inner city youths visit the Lincoln Memorial to worship the man who they are taught "freed the slaves". I have personally worked with and known Blacks who considered Lincoln to be their only White hero. Lincoln did not free the slaves of a single Union State, his own country. And his views of Blacks were nothing to be a hero over.
     
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    the way some of you change the narrative or twist arguments is shocking. Here are some of you making it sound like some of us are arguing that slavery was okay, which is far from what the OP is all about.

    Not surprisingly, liberals here are also accusing people of being sick and racists when many of our arguments don't have an ounce of racism to them.

    The OP is clear in that the issue is not whether slavery is acceptable or not or whether we condone it or not, it's about how black people blame whites for the origins of slavery. When i point out that blacks also owned slaves and were directly responsible for promoting and facilitating the slave trade, it is in no way shape or form condoning slavery. What this is about is how the white man is blamed for everything to do with slavery, even it's origins and the resentment black people have towards white people, even today's whites who had nothing to do with slavery. Perhaps if blacks understood that their own race played a big part in establishing black slavery in America, the resentment towards white people would be less pronounced.

    In many ways, black slavery in America may have never existed without the widespread slave trade where black slave owners sold and traded slaves for goods and money. Blacks and whites are equally to blame for the slave trade which resulted in widespread black slavery in America. Again, this is not an argument attempting to right slavery, anyone claiming this is trying to change the narrative.

    Another thing that pisses me off is how black America smears our past leaders and make all past slave owners seem like horrible people. The fact is that the only people to blame for slavery are the Europeans who went to Africa and the black slave owners that traded slaves for goods. All the white people who were born a slave owner have absolutely no blame whatsoever. The fact is that every liberal in this forum would've been a happy slave owner if they had been born a slave owner. White people who were 3rd, 4th, 5th generation slave owners were born in an environment where their parents and everyone else taught them that slavery was normal, it's was just a part of life. To make these past white people out to be demons and awful people is nothing more than intellectually shallow and ignorant. Once again, the people who established black slavery are the real ones to blame and this includes African black slave owners as-well.

    Lastly, it is very true that it was the white man who abolished slavery so give credit where credit is due. Slavery is a dark spot in our history but to blame whites whilst ignoring that blacks also played a major part in establishing it, is not fair. It is also not fair to blame white people who were born into slavery and make them all out to be awful people when the most liberal of liberals would've been happy slave owners if they had been born into it.
     
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    There is still slavery to this very day all over the Earth. Tens of millions of slaves. Virtually all of the slave owners are Not White people.
     
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    No, but people often get caught up in identity politics rather than blaming the perpetrators of slavery wherever they may come from.

    All cultures and races have done unspeakable, unforgivable things, which is why we don't punish for the sins of your fathers, and instead focus on the individual.
     
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    It's threads like these that miss the entire point of... everything, basically
     
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    What do you say is the point of the OP?
     
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    Well, it's claiming that anti-slavery protestors say that the US is the only incidence of slavery. This, of course, is untrue - the point of the BLM protests is to protest slavery that happened in the past and continued racism within the country. It doesn't matter if other people did it too - it's still awful
     
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    The point of the OP is the ignorance of the truth about slavery history.
     
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    DarkDiablo, how do you feel about the Jewish peoples involvement in profiting from the African slave trade?
     
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    changing the narrative is how liberals try to debate the issues, they set all sorts of traps to dance around the crux of the issues. They also use political correctness as a form of intimidation and lastly, love to discredit anyone who disagrees with them.
     
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    The American Civil War...WAS ABOUT SLAVERY.

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    The Civil War...was about slavery.

    Read the Declaration of Independence of the seceding states.
     
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    Slavery was legal. And Secession of States was also legal.
     
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    Okay...and it sounds as though you want both to be legal again.

    No problem. Want all you want.

    In any case, the reason the states that seceded left...was because they objected to the Union's objection to slavery.

    The Civil War...was fought about slavery.
     
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    Look at your State, New Jersey. They sent over 80,000 men to invade the South, over slavery, according to you. Over 6,000 New Jersey Soldiers lost their lives. But New Jersey still had slavery throughout the entire war. What kind of hypocrite would fight and die to free your neighbors slaves, while you kept slavery? Duh.
     
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    The reason for the Civil War...was the antagonism of the Union against the slavery of the southern states.

    As for why some humans are hypocrites...perhaps I should be asking you rather than the other way around.

    But since you did ask...my answer is: I do not know.

    That does not in any way change the fact that the reason the Civil War was fought...was SLAVERY.
     
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    After the Civil War was over, and all of the Confederate slaves were free, New Jersey still had slavery. It took ratification of the 13th Amendment to finally free the slaves of the North. And then New Jersey voted NO to freeing their slaves.

    Tell us what the Hell NJ boys were fighting for...Was this Northern Union State for or against slavery?
     
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    There it is... you have another "truth about slavery" just like the OP states. The most deadly war the USA has ever fought. And people say it was about slavery. Well if that's true, it was about the Union fighting and dying to free the slaves of the South...while the Union still had slavery. The Union left over 300,000 good men laying dead in Southern dust fighting to "free the slaves" in the South, while they allowed their own States to keep slavery.

    Define hypocrisy.
     
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    I have often wondered why slavery in the south is always discussed. Hardly anything is mentioned about slavery in the north.
     
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    so Black America, remember, your own race facilitated, promoted and profited from the slave trade. Thank your own race for slavery in America. We are all in agreement that slavery is a dark spot in the history of man but don't blame the white man for it, blame everyone, including your very own race.
     
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    I believe it is because most people do not know there was slavery in the North. It's not taught in Northern schools. Slavery is all about the South to them. It's called denial. And ignorance.
     
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    Or slavery in general. For 1500 years prior to the first black human was sold into Slavery from Africa, by likely his own kin, or fellow tribesmen, my people, (Sicilians) had been in chains throughout the Roman Empire.
     
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    And sadly, had tables been turned for some of the slaves, they probably would've done the same to fellow blacks.
    As bad as slavery was, it was the way things were back then.
    We view everything with 20/20 hindsight. Who knows what any of us would've done or thought had we lived in those times.

    Heck, we all have done or believed things to later realize we were wrong. But at the time, maybe not so much.
     
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    My people were Irish, we were slaves too. Guess what...We got over it, just as your people did.
     
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    As did mine. My Irish compadre, let me openly put any and all hostility we've shared against each other from my people's side to rest here.


    ATTN ALL: See how easy that was?
     

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