THE UKRAINIAN ARMY HAS BEEN DEFEATED. WHAT’S LEFT IS MOP-UP

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  1. Destroyer of illusions

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    You didn't say anything new. Italians, like the Spaniards, often have opposing views. Some support fascism, some condemn fascism.
    Remember at least the times of Mussolini (and Franco, if we mentioned the Spaniards).
    I gave you an example of an Italian who hates fascism. And so he fights on the side of the Russians.
    You gave me an example of an Italian - a supporter of the fascism. And she is fighting on the side of Ukraine.
     
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    You wrote nonsense. Russians know very well what is happening in Ukraine. And if the Russians have any claims to the country's leadership, it is only in terms of too soft conduct of hostilities. Many suggest conducting a special operation in the way that is customary in democratic countries (USA, EU) - for example, carrying out carpet bombing.
     
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    1. The US leased Alaska from Russia. Just like the British rented Hong Kong
    2. If you consider the purchase deal unshakable, then you should support the return of the Baltic states to Russia.
     
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    Looks like things aren't going too well for Russia. They are losing ground, retreating from Kiev.
     
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    When does the 'mopping up' begin?

    Are we waiting for Russia to fully retreat from its attack on Kyiv, Cherniv & Sumy before they 'mop up' Ukranian forces? Is that how it works?

    Maybe the 'mopping up' will start this week....or next. I heard a rumour Russia is waiting for General Godot to take charge of the 'moppping up', but I can't confirm that.
     
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    It is not true.
    1. Tik Tok is not banned in Russia.
    2. Meta (Instagram, Facebook) are banned in Russia as extremist platforms.
    The leadership of the Meta allows you to write calls to kill Russians on their platforms. Therefore it is forbidden.
    In the US, for example, ISIS, Al Qaeda are banned....and other similar organizations calling for the killing of Americans. So what? What's wrong?
    3. What you wrote about the ban on videos with Comrade Stalin is complete nonsense. Nobody forbids such a video in Russia. People in Russia erect monuments to Comrade Stalin and no one forbids them to do so.
    There is also a monument to Comrade Stalin on Red Square in the center of Moscow.
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    Biden sleeps everywhere. Climate Assembly - Biden sleeps, submarine launch - he sleeps again.
    He lives in a dream.
     
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    Russia is a completely self-sufficient country. Everything is in Russia. And even in Russia there are some rare earth minerals that are not found anywhere else.
    Russia has a good education, remember Kennedy's words "We lost the space race for school desks" when he admitted that Soviet education was the best in the world.
    Russia has all the necessary technologies, (technologies in which Russians are lagging behind, they can easily exchange for food or energy) Russia is the world's largest food exporter ....etc.
    Why do Russians need Europe? Or do you think that Russians cannot live without European souvenirs? :roflol::roflol::roflol:

    Links for you.
    Gas-Schock – "Statt 110 € soll ich jetzt 600 € blechen" https://www.heute.at/s/gas-schock-statt-110-soll-ich-jetzt-600-blechen-100198747
    Électricité: la situation se tend, le gestionnaire du réseau appelle à modérer la consommation https://www.lefigaro.fr/conso/elect...au-appelle-a-moderer-la-consommation-20220402
     
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    That is a laughable analogy. The Ukrainian army is very well armed and it amounts to 600,000 troops. 250,000 of them are regular troops that have been trained up to NATO standards since 2015. Taking into consideration that the Russian troops entered Ukraine with 150,000-175,000 troops your statement sounds rather silly to say at least. Apples and oranges mate.

    CIA-trained Ukrainian paramilitaries may take central role if Russia invades

    https://news.yahoo.com/cia-trained-...central-role-if-russia-invades-185258008.html

    While the covert program, run by paramilitaries working for the CIA’s Ground Branch — now officially known as Ground Department — was established by the Obama administration after Russia’s invasion and annexation of Crimea in 2014, and expanded under the Trump administration, the Biden administration has further augmented it, said a former senior intelligence official in touch with colleagues in government.

    By 2015, as part of this expanded anti-Russia effort, CIA Ground Branch paramilitaries also started traveling to the front in eastern Ukraine to advise their counterparts there, according to a half-dozen former officials.

    The multiweek, U.S.-based CIA program has included training in firearms, camouflage techniques, land navigation, tactics like “cover and move,” intelligence and other areas, according to former officials.
     
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    Then say hello when you should bump into him.
    The premise of this thread is from Dreamland.
     
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    If I prove to you that Finland was the first to attack the USSR, will you sing an ode to Putin?
     
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    You can easily do it yourself. .... Although .... The Taliban banned the cultivation of opium poppy throughout Afghanistan. Judging by your avatar, you may have additional expenses due to the increase in prices.
     
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    Well, in Italy, generally in the Army [overall now that it's professional] you can meet right leaning persons. Maybe not fascists, but sure they don't like Communism and its descentands. This in not an absolute rule, anyway leftists are not so common among our soldiers. At least this is the impression you get here.
     
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    There are good things in Russia, just as there are good things in every nation.
    I think the one really self-sufficient nation is USA with its two coasts, vast river
    network, resources in timber, ore, gas etc..
    Where Russia stumbles is that it needs Western technology, and markets for
    its energy.
    Yes, Russian education is good. Sad about its space tech..
     
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    I do believe most social media is banned in Russia. Too many reports say this.
    And the reports make sense.
    The photo of people putting roses on Stalin's monument is disturbing to me.
    This creature killed 20 million of his own people, and was the architect of the
    Cold War with his evil paranoia.
     
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    There's this campaign where Ukrainians are 'cold calling' Russians about the war.
    Nearly all the Russians called display ignorance of the 'military expedition' or what
    ever it's called now.
    You can't say that the conflict is a 'war' and few Russians know the extent of Russian
    atrocities in Ukraine. Seems everyone in Ukraine is a 'Nazi.'
     
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    Granny Vlad lives in a bunker, terrified of anything other than hand picked crowds or the Kremlin bunker. Even then he needs a bullet proof vest.

    Biden achieves more snoozing than Vlad does awake. Has China sent that food yet? Any sign of those mercenaries from Syria & Africa? What about all those countries that 'support' Russia? Are they sending weapons to help Russia? I did hear that poor Armenia was pressured into sending 4 planes. Biden gets more stuff for Ukraine before breakfast every day.

    Do you think that if Vlad got on his knees and cried China might help? Maybe Vlad should just go to sleep for a few weeks and see if someone else can fix the giant mess he has made.
     
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    If you call getting your entire city blown to bits "kicking ass" then yu ukraine kicked ass. Are you proud of them?
     
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    And there is nothing surprising in this. As Lenin said, the State is the dictatorship of the ruling class in the interests of the ruling class. In Italy the ruling class is the exploiters. Obviously the exploiters are against communist ideas. Consequently, the state conducts a dictatorship in the interests of the exploiters. And the army, as a state institution, will naturally be against the ideas of equality and justice.
    Fascism is an extreme form of denial of the ideas of social equality. Therefore, your military is not all fully supporters of fascism. But this is until the people of Italy try to establish in their country a just society without the exploitation of man by man. As soon as the exploiters feel threatened, then fascist sentiments will prevail in the army. We have already gone through all this. Is not it?
     
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    1.
    You think wrong. In Russia, only meta is banned from social networks. And only because they call to kill Russians. I didn't hear any more about banned social networks in Russia. At the same time, the Russians repeatedly warned the meta about the inadmissibility of such calls. The Meta ignored these warnings. The result is a ban in Russia. What's amazing about this? What's wrong with that?
    Perhaps soon YouTube will be blocked in Russia. But not because there is censorship in Russia, but because the leadership of YouTube violates Russian law. YouTube receives a warning from Russia for about a year. (as well as meta) And if they also ignore the Russian legislation now, a blocking will follow. And what's so amazing about that?
    In Ukraine, for example, Russian social networks have been banned for a long time, but this does not bother you. A number of sites that violate US and EU laws are also banned in the US and the EU. But you don't resent it. Just like you did not resent when the Ukrainian fascists shot and bombed the republics of the DPR and LPR for eight years.
    However, everyone knows about the double standards of the West.
    2.
    Russians put flowers at Stalin's monument because they appreciate Comrade Stalin.
    Surely the Russians know more about Comrade Stalin than you and all the Western "experts" and media put together. (I hope you will not dispute this fact). And if they carry flowers, then there are reasons for this.
    In Russia, the most popular politician in the history of Russia is Comrade Stalin. Despite the rabid anti-Stalinist propaganda. People cannot be deceived by false myths about "trillions of repressed".
    3.
    The Cold War officially began after Churchill's Fulton speech.
    And on this point you are wrong. Comrade Stalin did not start the Cold War.
     
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    You read anti-Russian propaganda. In Russia, everyone knows what is happening in Ukraine. In Russia, not all Ukrainians are considered fascists. (By the way, in the Russian special operation in Ukraine, there are a lot of ethnic Ukrainians in the Russian troops. Together with the Russians, they liberate Ukraine from the Nazis)
    You can see how Russians behave in Ukraine in the blogs of independent journalists. For example, the British Graham Phillips. He is in Ukraine and filming what is happening. https://www.youtube.com/c/GrahamPhillipsUK
     
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    I thought Russia was supposed to defeat the Ukrainian military in a matter of days....
    Is the humiliating failure to do that and losing ground now referred to as a "special operation" ?

    Lol
     
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    Ahahaha.... Your angry comment towards the Russians shows very well your desperation and your fear of what is happening.
     
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    NATO countries bombed 72 days only one, not the largest and not at all fortified city in the center of Europe - Belgrade. But did you think it was possible to complete a special operation in the second largest country in Europe, with a population of over 41 million people and the most militarized country in the world in a few days?
    Are you familiar with the term "adequacy"?
     
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    I'm not making any comparison at all, just trying not to make the impression that Czechoslovakia was completely unable to put up a fight if it had come to that.
     
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