THE UKRAINIAN ARMY HAS BEEN DEFEATED. WHAT’S LEFT IS MOP-UP

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  1. bigfella

    bigfella Well-Known Member

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    I am desperate that your nation stop raping and murdering Ukrainians and fearful that you will keep doing it until someone forces you to stop. It is the Russian way.

    But you didn't answer my questions - when does the 'mopping up' start. Is it when the Russian soldiers get tired of rape and murder? Becaused we know that will never happen. Russian forces are in retreat in the north, is that 'mopping up'? Are the soldiers retreating near Sumy 'mopping up'?

    OK, I'm being a bit unfair. Obviously you can't give honest answers lest you get arrested. 'Fear' indeed.
     
  2. LangleyMan

    LangleyMan Well-Known Member

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    Irrelevant. The claim was that any action by a member was an action by NATO. I refuted it by pointing to the U.S. war Vietnam.
    Also irrelevant.

    Anyway, USD "stranglehold" on what? Russian oil and gas sales to Europe is paid for in Euros.

    The Russians brought this on themselves. They will face superior NATO conventional forces on their borders, from Finland to the Black Sea.
    Hohhhh-Kayyyyy...
     
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  3. LangleyMan

    LangleyMan Well-Known Member

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    Missiles have been pointed by both sides for more than a half century.

    Putin can start a nuclear war, but he won't start and win a conventional war.
     
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  4. AlpinLuke

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    If you want to begin a historical discussion ... you're welcome. I'm a moderator of a world wide history forum [based in US, so a Capitalist anti-Russian history forum! What else?].

    Anyway ... Italian Army has got historical corps with great traditional roots like Alpines and Bersaglieri.
    These corps are more connected with the population [for example, the mass vaccination campaign in Italy has been managed by the corp of the Alpines in cooperation with Civil Protection].

    Italian democracy has solved the problem of a right leaning army. Probably in Russia you have to work a bit about this.
    Russians accuse Ukraine Army to be Nazi, but Russian Army is showing to be at least Fascist [overall about how it deals with civilians].
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    According to all sources except the mainstream media, Putin is very close to achieving his goals in Ukraine.
     
  6. LangleyMan

    LangleyMan Well-Known Member

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    Who cares about what one Italian does?
     
  7. Thedimon

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    Do you happen to know what goals that would be?
     
  8. Nemesis

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    His goals were to slaughter civilians and demonstrate ineptitude?
     
  9. Durandal

    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

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    You mean according to Russian propaganda and russophilic western simps?
     
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  10. LangleyMan

    LangleyMan Well-Known Member

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    Wrong. The U.S. purchased Alaska.

    https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/check-for-the-purchase-of-alaska
    Russia didn't purchase the Baltic states. Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia gained their independence following WW1. You won't get them back. Your deal with the Nazis is kaput.
     
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  11. LangleyMan

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    Hilarious.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Exactly - only a moron would not find this Mexican stand-off aggressive.
     
  13. LangleyMan

    LangleyMan Well-Known Member

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    I didn't call him a racist. You're deliberately misrepresenting my comments. I don't know if he is or isn't a racist.
    So, now you're saying I'm a racist. You're an interesting character. :roll: :roll:
    When you find some, point them out.
    Gobbledygook.
     
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  14. LangleyMan

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    Yes, the Czechs were stabbed in the back.
     
  15. LangleyMan

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    This has been going on for decades. You're pushing a false narrative.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What a fallacious laugh of a post... you are the one claiming folks pointing missiles at each other is not aggressive - a joke to begin with.. then you double down on silliness suggesting that Nations being aggressive against each other for decades .. means this is no longer aggression.

    Too much irrational nonense and disingenuous denial for a Sunday morning mate .. should have gone to Church :)
     
  17. Josh77

    Josh77 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Except that he moved the goal posts.He is trying desperately to save face. He looks like an idiot, and he knows it.
     
  18. LangleyMan

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    So, us defending ourselves and our allies against Russian aggression is "poking the bear?" :roll: :roll:
    Frankly, your narrative excusing Putin for this...

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    ... is nauseating.
     
  19. LangleyMan

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    We're to blame for Russian aggression. :yawn: :yawn:
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Once again you have to make things up - in desperate attempt to deny and deflect. If that defense includes aggressive actions .. such as destabilizing nuclear detente' .. surrounding the enemy with military installations .. is "aggressive"

    Then you can't help but demonize the messenger ... "Putin Supporter" .. with the worn out "Russia Russia Russia" trope for the lame .. who have no game :)
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Directly to blame for Russian aggression. When we unilaterally pulled out of the ABM treaty in 2002 - an aggressive act - then in 2007 announced a plan to put ABM's in nations bordering Russia - another aggressive act which destabilized nuclear detente' .. Russia was forced to take counter measures .. measures which were aggressive -- such as violating the short range treaty building short and intermediate range nuclear cruise missiles.

    There are other examples .. but it would be moronic for one to claim that we are in no way to blame for Russian Aggression .. so silly proposition.

    You seem to be having trouble figuring out what aggression entails - but rest assured - the Pentagon has no such problem - if Russia were to put missiles on US borders .. Screams - akin to the pain of childbirth - would be heard round the world ..

    Quit foolish it would be to claim that destabilization of nuclear detente is not an existential treat to the planet .. and for this we are to blame .. at least in part .. some would claim .. most of the blame falls on our shoulders .. after all .. wasn't Russia that destabilized nuclear detente'
     
  22. LangleyMan

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    You're the guy blaming NATO for Russian war crimes in the Ukraine.
    Doubling down in your "Blame NATO!" narrative?
    I didn't call you a "Putin Supporter."
    Yeah, sure—whatever you say.
     
  23. Dayton3

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    We don't need missiles to threaten Russia. Bombers will do nicely.
     
  24. Giftedone

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    Agreed - but you need to tell the Pentagon this .. They the problem :)
     
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    I never blamed NATO for Russian War Crimes .. quite the vivid imagination you have .. but you should try to refrain pinning your made up silliness onto others.
     

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