The Vatican is out of the closet

Catholics are taught that the Pope’s infallibility only kicks in when he speaks on matters of faith an morals. A substantial number of Catholics ignored their church on abortion. So there is no telling how many American Catholics will rebel against the Vatican’s announced positions on global government.

As long as the devotees of a religion do not bother me I respect their beliefs. My respect for the Roman Catholic Church took a big hit when the Vatican stuck its pious nose in things political affecting all Americans not just American Catholics.

The IRS should start looking into rescinding the R.C.Ch.’s tax exempt status:

The Vatican called on Monday for the establishment of a "global public authority" and a "central world bank" to rule over financial institutions that have become outdated and often ineffective in dealing fairly with crises.

The document from the Vatican's Justice and Peace department should please the "Occupy Wall Street" demonstrators and similar movements around the world who have protested against the economic downturn.

The Vatican’s Justice and Peace department is not infallible. Question: What are Vatican sharpshooters up to carrying water for the United Nations?:

It called for the establishment of "a supranational authority" with worldwide scope and "universal jurisdiction" to guide economic policies and decisions.

Such an authority should start with the United Nations as its reference point but later become independent and be endowed with the power to see to it that developed countries were not allowed to wield "excessive power over the weaker countries".

Yeah, right! Like the UN is going to relinquish authority once it has it.

Now that the R.C.Ch. is throwing in with the global government crowd the only way non-Muslims can avoid being enslaved by totalitarian government is for Muslim governments to wise up and walk out of the UN en masse before Socialists and the Vatican devour Islam one bite at a time.

The Vatican’s announced positions show that the R.C.CH.’s hierarchy is running scared. Socialism/Communism has a clear-cut agenda for worldwide domination as does Islam, while the R.C.CH. lost the edge it had throughout the years of the Holy Roman Empire (962 - 1806). The Vatican’s partnership with global government is a last ditch attempt to institute its own global agenda.; an agenda that is centuries old I might add.

NOTE: Socialists and the Catholic priesthood have much in common; most notably forcing everyone to work for the poor while enriching the governing class. The R.C.Ch.’s hierarchy and top Socialists are as sleazy as any charity hustler you’ll find in the private sector.

In the interest of full disclosure, I said this in December of 2002:

“As for the Vatican: Keep in mind that the Holy Roman Empire was the First Reich. In other words the German States were the Roman Catholic Church’s muscle for centuries. Those ties are centuries old, and it was Hitler’s Germany that fought communism because of those ancient ties, or so I believe. I’m sure the Vatican had a hand in that. I don’t think the Vatican likes the UN any more than I do. The relationship between the two is hard to see. The Vatican makes decisions in its best interests as the current situation demands, but I also believe that the R.C.Ch. would rather see the UN gone. Just my opinion, but I can’t find any solid evidence that says otherwise.”

The Vatican has now provided evidence proving me wrong by openly championing everything the United Nations and the New World Order crowd seek. It would not surprise me to learn that the Pope is member of the Bilderberg Group.

I find this next statement hypocritical coming from the wealthiest priesthood in the world:

"In fact, the crisis has revealed behaviours like selfishness, collective greed and hoarding of goods on a great scale," it said, adding that world economics needed an "ethic of solidarity" among rich and poor nations.

Most importantly, the R.C.Ch does not have a voice in America’s independence:

"Of course, this transformation will be made at the cost of a gradual, balanced transfer of a part of each nation's powers to a world authority and to regional authorities, but this is necessary at a time when the dynamism of human society and the economy and the progress of technology are transcending borders, which are in fact already very eroded in a globalised world."

Politicians lie all of the time. So do priests. In this case there is an obvious lie in the Vatican’s statement. No nation can give away part of its sovereignty. Once any part is gone it is all gone.

Surrendering America’s independence is where American Catholics will be tested because it must come down to choosing between the US Constitution and church doctrine. Americans expect their presidents to put the country before their religion. The day is coming when the Catholic laity will be faced with the same choice.

Finally, this excerpt from a September 2010 article reminds us that the Vatican is at least as corrupt as is Wall Street:

When news first broke on Tuesday that Italian prosecutors were investigating the Vatican Bank for violations of anti-money-laundering regulations, the story seemed to be that the bank had returned to its old ways. Reports in the press referenced the Vatican's connection to a 1980s financial scandal in which Italy's second largest bank, Banco Ambrosiano, went spectacularly bankrupt, collapsing under $1.3 billion of debt amid allegations of involvement by the Mafia and Masonic lodges. "The Vatican Bank has a very negative image," says Philip Willan, author of The Last Supper, a book about the death of the Banco Ambrosiano's chairman, who was found hanging under a London bridge, his pockets stuffed with rocks and thousands of dollars in cash. "Every time there's a whiff of scandal, all the papers dig out their files."

Money-Laundering Probe Sparks Another Vatican Scandal
By Stephan Faris / Rome Friday, Sept. 24, 2010

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2021194,00.html

Who can forget the Vatican Banking Scandal in the 1980s? The MSM gave it as much coverage as it gave to pedophile priests. Let’s see if the MSM covers the Roman Catholic Church’s global government machinations with as much relish as it gave to sex and money.

The following article in two parts is no fictional Da Vinci Code conspiracy theory:

UPDATE 1-Vatican calls for global authority on economy
Mon Oct 24, 2011 12:23pm BST

* Document also calls for "Central World Bank"

* Condemns "idolatry of the market"

* Says reform should start under U.N. auspices (Adds quotes from Vatican press conference)

By Philip Pullella

VATICAN CITY, Oct 24 (Reuters) - - The Vatican called on Monday for the establishment of a "global public authority" and a "central world bank" to rule over financial institutions that have become outdated and often ineffective in dealing fairly with crises.

The document from the Vatican's Justice and Peace department should please the "Occupy Wall Street" demonstrators and similar movements around the world who have protested against the economic downturn.

"Towards Reforming the International Financial and Monetary Systems in the Context of a Global Public Authority," was at times very specific, calling, for example, for taxation measures on financial transactions.

"The economic and financial crisis which the world is going through calls everyone, individuals and peoples, to examine in depth the principles and the cultural and moral values at the basis of social coexistence," it said.

It condemned what it called "the idolatry of the market" as well as a "neo-liberal thinking" that it said looked exclusively at technical solutions to economic problems.

"In fact, the crisis has revealed behaviours like selfishness, collective greed and hoarding of goods on a great scale," it said, adding that world economics needed an "ethic of solidarity" among rich and poor nations.

"If no solutions are found to the various forms of injustice, the negative effects that will follow on the social, political and economic level will be destined to create a climate of growing hostility and even violence, and ultimately undermine the very foundations of democratic institutions, even the ones considered most solid," it said.

It called for the establishment of "a supranational authority" with worldwide scope and "universal jurisdiction" to guide economic policies and decisions.

Such an authority should start with the United Nations as its reference point but later become independent and be endowed with the power to see to it that developed countries were not allowed to wield "excessive power over the weaker countries".

Asked at a news conference if the document could become a manifesto for the movement of the "indignant ones", who have criticised global economic policies, Cardinal Peter Turkson, head of the Vatican's Justice and Peace department, said:

"The people on Wall Street need to sit down and go through a process of discernment and see whether their role managing the finances of the world is actually serving the interests of humanity and the common good.

"We are calling for all these bodies and organisations to sit down and do a little bit of re-thinking."

 

PART TWO:

EFFECTIVE STRUCTURES

In a section explaining why the Vatican felt the reform of the global economy was necessary, the document said:

"In economic and financial matters, the most significant difficulties come from the lack of an effective set of structures that can guarantee, in addition to a system of governance, a system of government for the economy and international finance."

It said the International Monetary Fund (IMF) no longer had the power or ability to stabilise world finance by regulating overall money supply and it was no longer able to watch "over the amount of credit risk taken on by the system".

The world needed a "minimum shared body of rules to manage the global financial market" and "some form of global monetary management".

"In fact, one can see an emerging requirement for a body that will carry out the functions of a kind of 'central world bank' that regulates the flow and system of monetary exchanges similar to the national central banks," it said.

The document acknowledged that such change would take years to put into place and was bound to encounter resistance.

"Of course, this transformation will be made at the cost of a gradual, balanced transfer of a part of each nation's powers to a world authority and to regional authorities, but this is necessary at a time when the dynamism of human society and the economy and the progress of technology are transcending borders, which are in fact already very eroded in a globalised world." (Reporting By Philip Pullella; editing by Elizabeth Piper)

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/10/24/vatican-economy-idUKL5E7LO1LS20111024

 

Its really hard to know where to begin in dealing with the vatican. I usually start with their concept of Justification, but their theology is so messed up, it is hard to have a good discussion on it.

 

Well Hey! I have been telling everyone that these 501c3 churches have abandoned their Ecclesiastical authority and decided to work hand in hand with those that would control the population (speaking of the various States as recognized by the United Nations). BTW... FYI... what the RC announced is nothing new.... that same activity has been going on now for several decades (about the last 9.8 decades).

 

To Incorporeal: I always thought the R.C.CH. was simply paying lip service to the UN. Over the years I chalked up criticism of the R.C.CH. as Catholic bashing. Now, in spite of the Vatican’s well-known opposition to the Soviet Union and communism, the evidence of the Vatican’s tentative partnership with UN Communists is overwhelming. Apparently, the Catholic hierarchy only opposed Soviet-style communism:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXna5jOp11E&feature=player_detailpage"]The Vatican Supports the United Nations - YouTube[/ame]

I must add that I thought Pope Benedict was going to be a good one. Obviously, any pope who oversees giving power to the United Nations and global government is not to be trusted by freedom-loving Americans.

 

As a practicing Catholic, I don't get this stance.

I need more of an explanation. There is no way the Catholic Church and the Occupy crowd are on the same side.

Something is wrong here, don't know which part or side, but none of this sounds right or coherent.

 

To TheHat: Well then, you have a great opportunity to state your views coherently.

 

Well, just throw in a huge measure of 'commerce' and the picture might become a little more apparent. That recognition of 'commerce' is what has enabled the courts to start prosecuting Priests and other church officials (not restricted to the RC) on child abuse violations of secular law. Then throw in a smaller measure of 'contract law' and guess what ???? you have an organization that is operating in commerce and is initiating contracts for services which means that they are now serving the whims of such other secular organizations as the IMF (International Monetary Fund)....

 

It seems that Roman Catholics are on the march in the UK as well as the UN. Every British monarch since Henry VIII has been the Supreme Head of the Church of England. So I wonder if some future monarch will run afoul of the Vatican and the pope because of this:

The deal will also end the ban on members of the Royal Family who marry a Roman Catholic being able to succeed to the throne.

William and Kate's first child will take the throne... even if it's a girl
By Tim Shipman
Last updated at 9:03 AM on 28th October 2011

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...lliam-Kate-Middletons-child-throne--girl.html

JFK made it clear that his first duty was to his country not his church, but then he was not the Supreme Head of the Church of America. A Catholic British monarch will obviously have twin loyalties. I can easily see a religious fanatic choosing church over state.

Back during the Vatican banking scandal, I remember talk about Roman Catholics breaking away from Rome and electing their own pope as head of an American Catholic Church. In that way not a penny of the money donated by America’s Catholics would go to Rome. I'd like to see that talk revived.

I’d also like to point out that Vatican City is a SOVEREIGN state. The fact that it is a theocracy is never mentioned.

NOTE: The Church Of England broke with Rome, and, of course, there are numerous Christian sects that are not under the Vatican’s thumb.

A Catholic monarch is not the only interesting news from across the pond. The British government no more cares what the British people want than our government cares what Americans want:

Promoted under the Labour government, the most insidious of these, The Lisbon Treaty, caused a great furore over what it meant for the future of independent British policy making. Yet out of the glare of the official ceremony, more of our sovereignty was quietly signed away into law a day later by Gordon Brown – a successor rather than an elected Prime Minister. Plus as another parting present, the outgoing Labour chancellor, Alistair Darling, cut us a dam-ning deal that left the UK exposed to the first sovereign debt crisis with the Greek bailout.

Conservative revolt over Europe in the House of Commons
UK Parliament votes NO to the people’s plea for a referendum on EU membership
Anna Grayson Thursday, October 27, 2011

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/41760

I can understand a government defending a minority from the majority when it is called for, but in this case the British government is failing to protect the majority from a miniscule minority with the political power to abolish Great Britain’s sovereignty. Take this one to the bank. The all-powerful global government minority will prevent America’s withdrawal from the United Nations as surely as the UK’s Parliament is blocking withdrawal from the EU.

 

Good Lord! Catholic institutions are now guilty of everything from the politically dangerous to the mundane:

From a legal perspective, Notre Dame has the right to trademark and protect their images. The university has its own legal standing to protect itself and the funds it acquires through the sale of university apparel and other images that reflect their particular university name.

The next thing you know the Roman Catholic Church will claim copyright infringement and insist on collecting a franchise fee from every Johnny-come-lately Christian sect.

The True Killers of School Spirit: Notre Dame and the Whining Irish
Paul Ibbetson Friday, October 28, 2011

There are times in life when it must seem that one just cannot get a break. The city of Chapman, Kansas, and its school district must very well feel that way today. This small Kansas school was devastated by a tornado back in 2008. Despite the overwhelming destruction to the school wrought by the massive tornado, students and officials alike rallied behind school chants of the “fighting Irish!” depicted by their fighting leprechaun, and worked to rebuild their beloved school and future.

Three years later their long hard rebuilding project was complete, and it appeared that at long last, the sun was about to shine again on a town and school that refused to die in the face of hard times. Then, even before the “new smell” was gone from the school, a second more devastating storm returned to Chapman, Kansas. This time it was not a tornado but the powerhouse college of Notre Dame. It cast its own dark shadow on the little Kansas town. Ironically the major college, as had the tornado of 2008, was determined to strip the school of its identity and morale once again.

As reported by the Associated Press, Notre Dame claimed that Chapman’s long used leprechaun mascot was too similar to the college’s famous trademarked image. Chapman high school, Principal Kevin Suther, told media officials that the school had received a letter over the summer from Notre Dame after the Kansas mascot was observed on the school’s website. Superintendent Lacee Sell stated it was cruelly apparent that Notre Dame was serious about getting Chapman to cease using their fighting leprechaun. Instead of entering into a long, costly court battle with the college, the newly rebuilt Kansas school has decided to change their identity and hope that Notre Dame, like their destructive tornado, will blow on by and spare the school a second annihilation.

From a legal perspective, Notre Dame has the right to trademark and protect their images. The university has its own legal standing to protect itself and the funds it acquires through the sale of university apparel and other images that reflect their particular university name. With that said, none of these concerns appear to apply to the school in Chapman, Kansas. Readers should ponder the validity of such concerns. Is there really a valid concern that the small Chapman school with its similar leprechaun posted in a fighting stance will actually be confused with the well-known University of Notre Dame in Indiana? Can an argument be truly made that this Kansas public school, if it retained its long standing mascot will actually drain economic resources from Notre Dame? The answer is a resounding “No!”

The reality is that the little school in Chapman will be forced to change its longstanding identity because some Notre Dame official happened to stumble upon a little Kansas school website, and a university founded on the virtues of the Blessed Mother Mary, decided that compassion is best served through making threats with lawyers. The truth is that many small town schools across the nation have mascots that could be challenged as trademark violations by powerful universities who may hold trademark privileges. But don’t worry small towns out there, I will never give you up to anyone. Still, you may someday have to face the same understanding and compassion that Chapman, Kansas has received from Notre Dame. Officials of the Chapman School District have decided to sponsor a contest to create a new mascot and logo. On my radio show, “Conscience of Kansas” I submitted that the Kansas school should create its own unique leprechaun doing the “one finger wave” to the mascot trademarked by Notre Dame. While that might not be the proper precedent or lesson to set for school children here in the heartland, I’ve kept my paint and brushes ready in case they are called into action.

Notre Dame in this situation is the heartless bully, and it is a sad and frustrating characteristic to observe. However, the town and school of Chapman, Kansas will endure as they have already with a pride that transcends logos. Notre Dame’s selfish nature may end up erasing this newly rebuilt school’s mascot, but they will not kill the school’s spirit. Here we are all shown a truly important lesson. What a tornado in Chapman, Kansas could not destroy, neither will Notre Dame.

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/41779

The Roman Catholic Church is not going to change course any time soon; so it’s time for us to part:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6qoNJJb2RY&feature=player_detailpage"]Perry Como - Arriverderci Roma - - YouTube[/ame]

 

A cynic might say they deserve each other:

Muslims Miffed That Catholic University Has Catholic Imagery
Doug Giles

Last week I was asked to lend my aging mug and highly attuned smart mouth for a documentary film regarding how the “religion of peace”—via political correctness in the public school system—is anesthetizing our kids to Islam’s malevolence toward all things American.

Like a good trooper I acquiesced (to the producer’s delight) and gave my best shot at trying to wake dull parents up to the fact that their dense kids are getting a steady diet of “Christianity, Judaism and America suck” and “Islam is awesome” from their local Marxist schoolmarm on a Monday through Friday basis. The director says there’s already a pre-Oscar buzz surrounding my performance. I am beautiful. Christina Aquavelva said so.

Anyway, no sooner did that week end than a new week began with a fresh ladle of Muslim petulance tossed in America’s face. It seems that an investigation has been sparked by Muslim “outrage” against a Catholic university (called Catholic University) for being, well, Catholic. Evidently Muslim students feel their human rights have been violated by not getting special digs on campus, minus Catholic imagery, to do their daily prayers on college grounds.

Let’s see, what can I compare this situation to? Hmmm. Dig deep, Doug, dig deep. Channel your inner Dennis Miller. I’ve got it! That’s like going to Hooters and being offended at all the bodacious hooters bouncing about. People don’t go to Hooters for their chicken wings; it’s called Hooters. Hoot-ers. Hooters. Geez, people. What the heck did you expect, students? It’s called Catholic University for a reason.

Human rights violated? That’s rich. Yes, let’s talk about human rights violations with Islam, shall we? How many Christians were killed in Egypt this week?

In the latest installment of how Islam is enacting their not-so-stealthy-any-longer jihad on America via our schools, Muslims are now taking on Catholic University for their Catholic art and imagery that insults delicate Muslim sensibilities.

This is nonsense. It’s another test to see how far we’ll bend over and take it like Europe has (to their own demise). It will not end with this one college, I guarantee. Who’s next? I’m thinkin’ Notre Dame.

Look, I’m not a Catholic and don’t work for good old CU, but if I did I’d be ticked and would stand my Catholic ground. I’d start swinging incense pots like a ninja warrior working a pair of nunchucks at any group trying to eradicate our cherished traditions and vision for our established university.

Here’s a thought: If you, as a Muslim, don’t like Catholic stuff, you might not want to go to Catholic University. Similarly, when I was seeking out an institution at which to do my grad work I immediately scratched Rosie O’Donnell University off my list.

Why? Well, I didn’t care to look at the paintings of her and her bulbous neck scattered about the campus, nor did I want to pay money to hear her bogus thoughts regarding how the world should tick peddled in the classroom.

This common sense approach to school selection makes me highly suspicious of this special treatment Muslims are demanding in our institutions and what their charges are really—really—all about. Stand your ground, Catholic U.

http://townhall.com/columnists/doug...ic_university_has_catholic_imagery/page/full/

 

LOL Since you (seem to) know what infallibility means when it comes to the Pope, then you should know that this new idea is not an infallible declaration, and the belief does not have to be supported. And you forgot, this is only a simple proposal, its nothing new, and its nothign doctrine. In other words, if your a Catholic you can still be considered devout if you decide to not accept the stance.

 

BTW FLanders, did you read the actual document from the Vatican, or did you just read a second handed article on the document?

 

To Ezra: You would represent a legitimate argument except for this:

The Vatican’s Justice and Peace department is not infallible. Question: What are Vatican sharpshooters up to carrying water for the United Nations?:

It called for the establishment of "a supranational authority" with worldwide scope and "universal jurisdiction" to guide economic policies and decisions.

Such an authority should start with the United Nations as its reference point but later become independent and be endowed with the power to see to it that developed countries were not allowed to wield "excessive power over the weaker countries".

And this:

Most importantly, the R.C.Ch. does not have a voice in America’s independence:

"Of course, this transformation will be made at the cost of a gradual, balanced transfer of a part of each nation's powers to a world authority and to regional authorities, but this is necessary at a time when the dynamism of human society and the economy and the progress of technology are transcending borders, which are in fact already very eroded in a globalised world."

And this in #9 permalink:

I’d also like to point out that Vatican City is a SOVEREIGN state. The fact that it is a theocracy is never mentioned.

Assuming you’re a Catholic how much of the Vatican’s sovereignty are you willing to give away?

Bottom line: The Vatican made political statements affecting everyone not just Roman Catholics.

To Ezra: That is not your business. You can complain when you catch me misquoting.

 

Soo...I am at lost. Do you understand that this proposol is not infallibly stated and is not needed to be accepted by Catholics worldwide at all? Or are you still lost at that because your response was completly irrelevant to what I said. Maybe you should start with the basics. Papal Infalliblity; the belief that when the Pope makes a decision on doctrine and morals ex; Assumption of the B.V.M. or Abortion, that it needs to be accepted and belived by all Catholics and may not be taught contrary to these beliefs at all. If a Catholic disagrees and teaches the Assumption never happened, then s/he has put themselves outside of the church, informally excommunicating themselfs. If a Bishop teachs that abortion is okay, which is contrary to what the Pope infallibly decided, he has put himself outside of the church and will be formally excommunicated.

Now, if something is not infallible, such as political stances, then any member of the lay faithful can disagree and still remain in full communion with Rome. Therefore not informally nor formally being excommunicated. Such an example is with this document which proposes the fix to poverty is a joint gathering of a one world bank system. '

With the first sentence you made, you said I was right. It is not infallible. Effecting everyone who is and isn't catholic? Absurd idea. Its not infallible!

 

http://www.romereports.com/palio/vatican-proposes-a-world-government-to-stabilize-the-financial-system-english-5227.html#.TqWBT4c9OYY.facebook
You can read the whole thing there. They are not on the same side of OWS.

 

Just when the Vatican needs to show a solid front in pushing global government and the United Nations:

Catholic Ireland's stunning decision to close its embassy to the Vatican is a huge blow to the Holy See's prestige and may be followed by other countries which feel the missions are too expensive, diplomatic sources said on Friday.

Ireland’s reason for closing its embassy is unrelated to the Vatican’s recently-announced worldwide agenda; still it has to hurt. It could get a lot worse if more Catholic counties join Ireland for whatever reason. The unknown factor is how many lay Catholics totally disagree with the Vatican? If that number is large enough the R.C.Ch. could be in for an all-out revolt among the once-faithful; not over theology but over politics.

Vatican stunned by Irish embassy closure
By Philip Pullella | Reuters – 21 mins ago

VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - Catholic Ireland's stunning decision to close its embassy to the Vatican is a huge blow to the Holy See's prestige and may be followed by other countries which feel the missions are too expensive, diplomatic sources said on Friday.

The closure brought relations between Ireland and the Vatican, once ironclad allies, to an all-time low following the row earlier this year over the Irish Church's handling of sex abuse cases and accusations that the Vatican had encouraged secrecy.

Ireland will now be the only major country of ancient Catholic tradition without an embassy to the Vatican.

"This is really bad for the Vatican because Ireland is the first big Catholic country to do this and because of what Catholicism means in Irish history," said a Vatican diplomatic source who spoke on the condition of anonymity.

He said Ireland informed the Vatican shortly before the announcement was made on Thursday night.

Dublin's foreign ministry said the embassy was being closed because "it yields no economic return" and that relations would be continued with an ambassador in Dublin.

The source said the Vatican was "extremely irritated" by the wording equating diplomatic missions with economic return, particularly as the Vatican sees its diplomatic role as promoting human values.

Diplomats said the Irish move might sway others to follow suit to save money because double diplomatic presences in Rome are expensive.

It was the latest crack in relations that had been seen as rock solid until a few years ago.

DAM-NING REPORT

In July, the Vatican took the highly unusual step of recalling its ambassador to Ireland after Prime Minister Enda Kenny accused the Holy See of obstructing investigations into sexual abuse by priests.

The Irish parliament passed a motion deploring the Vatican's role in "undermining child protection frameworks" following publication of a dam-ning report on the diocese of Cloyne.

The Cloyne report said Irish clerics concealed from the authorities the sexual abuse of children by priests as recently as 2009, after the Vatican disparaged Irish child protection guidelines in a letter to Irish bishops.

While Foreign Minister Eamon Gilmore denied the embassy closure was linked to the row over sexual abuse, Rome-based diplomats said they believed it probably played a major role.

"All things being equal, I really doubt the mission to the Vatican would have been on the list to get the axe without the fallout from the sex abuse scandal," one ambassador to the Vatican said, on condition of anonymity.

Cardinal Sean Brady, the head of the Catholic Church in Ireland, said he was profoundly disappointed by the decision and hoped the government would "revisit" it.

"This decision seems to show little regard for the important role played by the Holy See in international relations and of the historic ties between the Irish people and the Holy See over many centuries," Brady said in a statement.

The Vatican has been an internationally recognized sovereign city-state since 1929, when Italy compensated the Catholic Church for a vast area of central Italy known as the Papal States that was taken by the state at Italian unification in 1860.

It has diplomatic relations with 179 countries. About 80 have resident ambassadors and the rest are based in other European cities.

The Vatican guards its diplomatic independence fiercely and in the past has resisted moves by some countries to locate their envoys to the Holy See inside their embassies to Italy.

Dublin said it was closing its mission to the Vatican along with those in Iran and East Timor to help meet its fiscal goals under an EU-IMF bailout. The closures will save the government 1.25 million euros ($1.725 million) a year.

(Additional reporting by Carmel Crimmins and Conor Humphries in Dublin; Editing by Tim Pearce)

http://news.yahoo.com/vatican-stunn...MjE0ZDA1BHBvcwM1BHNlYwNNZWRpYVNlY3Rpb25MaXN0B

 

Wow, you must be thinking of a different article then the one you just posted, considering the issue had to do with abuse scandal. Though, what relevance does it have to do with this thread? That is, besides the constant failure to actually understand what your talking about.

 

Well at first I thought the Catholic church was finally doing something about its pedofile problem, but as I can see, they are merely getting involved in politics once again. After all, they have such a great historic track record when it comes to politics. Maybe they will even begin their inquisitions again for those who do not practice "economic justice" and set up ghettos for them to live in like the once did for the Jews.

I've heard alot said about the Catholic church's role in the end times and most of it is not complementory. Now it seems that most of what I have heard is on the way. Someday we may all hear the Pope say how it is OK to take the mark.