The war between the US and Europe.

The real war seems to be between the EU members.

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Typical counter argument is typical.
Even though no one mentioned it and we are debating it you had to bring it.

For Rossija it worked preety well.

 

That's because European sour grapes make them vinegar not wine.

 

Best wine in the world is european.

 

Granted. Boston bars used to have tip jars in them for the IRA, but as I said, it was a small minority. Unfortunately, in the US. a small minority of supporters can make a big difference in a tiny place like Northern Ireland.

 

Umm, Im pretty sure I made it clear who was arrogant beyond belief.
Apparently your reading comprehension isn't all that great.

 

Quite frankly, I don't give a sh!t what planes Australian pilots flew during WWII. If it's important to you, well, that's your business.

 

Nah,, Australian wine.

 

Kinda weird how WW2 is brought up in an argument that really has nothing do with WW2.

 

Anything in the world today can be tied to ww2 in some way. Kinda like how every actor can be tied to Kevin Bacon.

 

I find it quite funny how many Americans in these forums prattle on about WWII. Like some old prize fighter who once won a title. He later gets back into the ring again against a lesser opponent (Vietnam) and cops a hiding.

 

This is very easy. I've flown to Europe many times on business and I've been to the UK about a dozen times. Most people are friendly and cordial but some have reverted to the bigoted far left mantra of attacking me because of where I'm from. Not just American but Texan ie the south. I've actually been asked why I would allow children to die from AIDS because I must appose AIDS research because of where I'm from or the ever popular Bush is America's Hitler.

Its not only beyond stupid it smacks of an arrogance even in Texas I don't run across very often. And the culture of the UK has made a drastic change in the last 10 years. And when I say change I mean Britain, the land of my forefathers is loosing its culture to immigrants. The amount of political correctness is beyond damaging to the point it is destroying the UK. We in the US see Islam especially gaining a serious foothold in the UK and the native English are unwilling to combat it resulting in a sharp rise in English nationalism by English youth seeing their nation being taken away from them piece by piece and they being attacked for standing up and protesting the theft. It is your loss of an identifying culture and a drastic onset of apathy that fuels the takeover.

Its sad to watch England be conquered by population and culture but it is the reality and it does sadden us here.

 

Thank you - that is the sort of information my OP sought. Not who won WW2.

The stupid arrogance and generalisation you mentioned is to what I alluded in an earlier post. Some of that is due to sheer ignorance (getting their information about 310 million diverse people from Hollywood and US TV shows,) and some of it is the same defensive reaction that some people have towards anyone they perceive as better off than themselves (whether that is factual or not). It is unintelligent and it is offensive, and I would not blame you for having a lower opinion of Brits as a result.

As for militant Islam in the UK, it is as much of a problem as militant Islam is in any western democracy. I do think both the British and the American press exaggerate the quantum. The Islamic population of Britain stands at 2.5%, representing an increase of 1.5% over the past 60 years. The largest annual increase was in the immediate post war years.

I grew up with Muslim boys at my school, and a very nice Pakistani man who ran the corner shop near my home. I do not have a problem with Muslim people as such. I do have a problem with Muslim extremists, and I do have a similar problem with shaved head neo-Nazi extremists who represent themselves as nationalists, but act like thugs.

I have been alive for 18 years, and I have not been aware of that my culture has been lost to immigrants. We speak English, we nominally celebrate Christian festivals, we take afternoon tea, we govern this island nation via a system evolved over the past 600 years, and we carry on our daily lives as we have always done - as a multicultural nation.

As for political correctness, I am not sure to what you are referring. Could you supply some examples? Is it our legislation against racial discrimination, or incitement to violence? Is it the fact that we, as a people, do not subscribe to going armed, and our police prefer to remain unarmed?

Now I understand that this is from my personal viewpoint, and that, given our societal value systems might differ, you may see things differently. But, apart from a few ignorant Brits (and I met their American counterparts when I was in your fair land,) what is it in our culture that makes so many Americans dislike us so?

 

Not from their sour grapes regarding the U.S. We should have let Hitler have his way with them.

 

That's because the Aussies were incapable of producing war material themselves without being led by the hand. You know the answer but are simply too embarrassed to tell the truth. I understand, that's why you lash out at us so much. As long as you put down America and Americans, it makes you feel better about your country.

It's the classic crabs in a bucket mentality. Put several crabs in a bucket and they all try to climb out. As soon as one try's harder than the rest and starts to climb out, the rest will team up and drag him back down into the bucket. It's very typical of Europe, Australia and New Zealand.

 

I think most people from the UK are very polite. I travel a lot for business so i frequent Europe quite often. I have been approached and called names or made fun of for being American, but I would say the same thing happens here just as often. UK is a strong nation with great culture if you want to indulge in it.

On the other hand places like France I greatly despise. I get rude comments in french and the people are just generally rude and angry. Frances culture is good but I don't believe the people want Americans indulging in their culture.

Italy is also a problem the people seems to have resentment towards Americans.
I've got comments like "American whore" from teens there. Beautiful country with much to see though. Culture is awesome also.

Ireland, although only been twice, is rich in culture and honestly I just loved it there. The people were friendly, and fun.

Australia was okay. I hear they have hate crime problems, I'm white so I did not get that impression. I loved the people. Notable the men/women were all very gorgeous. The culture kinda seemed non existent like in America were they feed on pure consumerism.

I believe places like Australia and America our more modern and have had less time to develop there own culture and consumerism is the culture of the future.

Europe as a whole is a great place that I assume is a lot more like America then both sides would like to let on. I say like America but they are like each other.

 

Water off a duck's back.

Like I said before, I just don't give a sh!t

 

I'm sure you don't. It's so much easier to deny the reality of one's existence than admit it.

 

There are plenty of stupid arrogant and bigoted Americans. Of that there is no doubt. And there are plenty of moronic Americans who don't think the world exists or should exist outside its borders. There is no denying that.

When I was talking about the loss of culture I was referring to the sharp rise in immigration and Sharia Law.

For example:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...m-dispensing-justice-side-British-courts.html

Sharia law by its very nature of giving the women less rights than the male goes completely against British law yet it is allowed to exist side by side with British law.

Muslim drivers refuse dogs

Blind passengers are being ordered off buses or refused taxi rides because Muslim drivers or passengers object to their 'unclean' guide dogs.

One pensioner, a cancer sufferer, told how had twice been confronted by drivers and asked to get off the bus because of his guide dog, and had also faced hostility at a hospital and in a supermarket over the animal.

The problem to carry guide dogs on religious grounds has become so widespread that the matter was raised in the House of Lords last week, prompting transport minister Norman Baker to warn that a religious objection was not a reason to eject a passenger with a well-behaved guide dog.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1295749/Muslim-bus-drivers-refuse-let-guide-dogs-board.html

Muslim population

http://undhimmi.com/2011/01/28/uk-muslim-population-set-to-double-within-20-years/

This reality should be addressed by immigration policy in the UK. Any country no matter its size or makeup cannot constantly take in an influx of new immigrants without being able to acclimate them to British society. Its a problem we too face in the US but the population of the UK makes it far more dangerous at a much faster pace.

The Political correctiveness and loosing of the culture of traditional Britian:

Britain is losing its identity because of over-zealous political correctness and a failure to deal with immigration, the Chief Rabbi has warned.

Join our campaign: Call Yourself British
Your view: How can the Union be perfected?

Sir Jonathan Sacks said that the drive for a multi(*)cultural society had left Britain increasingly intolerant and that too many people were embarrassed about their history.

In an interview with The Sunday Telegraph, he stressed that the historic Union with Scotland and the concept of Britain must be preserved.

Echoing the Telegraph's Call Yourself British campaign, he endorsed plans for a British Day, suggested a more inclusive national anthem should be created and urged the Government to give people a "British dream".

Sir Jonathan said that people should be proud to call themselves British. A poll conducted by this newspaper last week found that more than six out of 10 English voters shared his view, but had growing concerns about the future of the Union

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1572712/Chief-Rabbi-Britain-is-losing-its-identity.html

Even John Kleese has recognized it.

Mass immigration has turned London into a city that is 'no longer English', John Cleese claims.

The former Monty Python star says he now feels like a foreigner walking through the capital's streets.

California-based Cleese, 71, moved to the U.S. more than two decades ago, having grown up in Somerset.

The comic was asked what he thought about British culture and the recent London riots during an interview on 7.30, a television show in Australia, where he is currently on a stand-up tour.

He replied: 'I'm not sure what's going on in Britain. Or, let me say this – I don't know what's going on in London, because London is no longer an English city.

'That's how we got the Olympics.

'They said we were the most cosmopolitan city on Earth. But it doesn't feel English.

'I had a Californian friend come over two months ago, walk down the King's Road and say, "Where are all the English people?"

'I mean, I love having different cultures around. But when the parent culture kind of dissipates, you're left thinking, "Well, what's going on?"'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ty-thats-got-2012-Olympics.html#ixzz1izeNtdi3

And this isn't just happening in Britain as you pointed out but across the West. The problem is many on the left will call it racism if the native people speak out about it. Even Kleese took heat about his observations.

Is it really racist to want to preserve your own culture and people in your native country? The double standard seems to be immigrants have every right to preserve their own culture and race but if the native Western cultures protest they are the racist ones. Its a very disturbing trend across Europe and in smaller countries like Britain it is far more pronounced.

Have you not noticed a rise in racial tensions in the UK? This doesn't happen in a vacuum there is always cause and effect.


I'm not sure there is such a hatred for British culture in that there is a distaste for European culture as we see it as believing it is superior to American culture which makes some Americans defensive and revert back to WWII and current troop deployments. Many see our presense in Europe militarily as something to be grateful for not ridiculed. There are many Brits I've run into that see us as a lawless thug or cowboy like society which for us we see as a negative description.

 

What a load of Tea Party tosh!

 

I have, and the same is true to an extent in Australia - it's a feature of the fact that cities in particular have actually been largely 'planned' in a way that they just weren't in the UK. UK cities are mostly just collections of villages that have grown together over the centuries, and their road patterns often reflect that heritage. Even out of town, minor roads often follow field edges that have been defined for centuries, so tend to be narrow and winding. The few open 'wilderness' areas left are usually mountainous, so the roads are forced to follow the contours anyway - we just don't have wide open spaces in the UK that haven't been occupied farmland for a thousand years or more!

We have wide highways and motorways, of course, that have been planned and built from scratch more recently, and a few 'new towns' and parts of cities that have been re-developed more recently too, but the basic road layout of much of the UK has never been 'designed', but just developed naturally from centuries-old tracks that grew and got covered in tarmac.

The same is true in many parts of Europe, of course. That's essentially why Europeans build better 'sports cars' that go around corners, and Americans build better 'muscle cars' that work best in straight lines - it's the different prevailing patterns of the road infrastructure.

As G. K. Chesterton put it, in a delightful (but historically inaccurate, of course, since the 'English' didn't arrive until long after the Romans! It probably should have been a 'rolling Welsh drunkard'!):

Personally, for all the traffic problems they create in rural areas, I think the profusion of winding country roads, flanked by their ancient hedgerows, and working their way among the patchwork quilt of apparently randomly shaped and sized fields, are among the most attractive elements of the UK (and something often missed by those who stick to the tourist routes and motorways). I find the peculiarly quirky town layouts almost equally appealing, in their own way. It appeals to my senses in a way that wonderfully functional grid systems and ordered straight lines never can, but then I'm just an old Romantic at heart!

 

I would advise against using the Daily Mail as a source for information about the UK. There may be some grain of truth to some of the stories, in that there have been some issues surrounding immigration in some parts of the UK, but it is a 'newspaper' that spins that for all it is is worth, to appeal to its particular group of extreme nationalist-minded readers. It's more or less a running joke in the UK - it's not considered to be a 'serious' newspaper at all, especially for anything to do with politics.

The UK is not in anything like the danger of disappearing under mass Islamic colonisation and Sharia law that a person might think from reading the Daily Mail (and the associated rantings of a few minority groups of extremists). In fact, it's not in any such danger at all, it really isn't.

Actually, the biggest 'threat' by far to the continued existence of various elements of the cultures of the UK is in being submerged by commercialy-led cultural 'globalism', dominated by the USA (because of its status as the largest and most commercially powerful English-speaking nation in the world). To put it another way, 'Hollywood' is a much, much bigger threat to the continuance of traditional ways of doing things and expressing things than anything else - if you listen to younger people in the UK talking, it's not Islamic, Asian, African or other European speech patterns and ideas they are picking up and using instead of those that would have been used by their grandparents, but American ones.

Not that that is a criticism of the USA at all on my part - these things happen, and cultures do evolve and change over time because of different influences. I do think there is value in preserving and celebrating traditional cultures and elements so that they are not lost, and can be passed from generation to generation - that's a healthy part of being able to enjoy our own identities and differences. I certainly don't see any culture (old or new) as being 'superior' to any other, though, just different, and there's nothing wrong with enjoying different cultures, or even absorbing elements of them (and people have been doing that on these islands for thousands of years). It would be a shame to lose all of our differences, of course, but at the same time I certainly don't believe that we should try to prevent other influences from coming in, or react to changes in a narrow-minded (or even bigotted) way.

 

I lived in Europe in the 80's for 4 years. There was an awful lot of anti-American sentiment then, and I would say it is much larger now.

My perspective, is that America has been the big dog on the planet since they took over the predominant currency power from England, and then the breaking of Russia to be the lone super power.

Being the big dog brings resentment, and moreso when you used to be the big dog on the planet.

Nothing America can ever do, will escape the snarling envy laced criticisms of the smaller wanna be dogs or old big dogs in the pack...and they recipricate back with the natural arrogance...of the big dog.

Mix in some WWI, WWII residual personal ramifications, some republic versus social democracy welfare state perspectives...and that (IMO) is about it.

 

So full of insight and thought its hard to even find a place to begin!

You could always look out your window:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1Btc9qMALg&feature=related"]Paris...Lost? - YouTube[/ame]

 

I gave you far more than one link.

And you couldn't even disprove what it said. You simply ask everyone to accept its false based on your personal opinion.

Come back when you are actually ready to debate and answer all points.