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That doesn't make any sense.

Earlier, you admitted that essentially stupid men, with a cheap laptop could use those limited resources to hit the best defended nation in the WORLD. Twice.

So, having done that, why have these stupid men with a laptop been so incredibly unsuccesful since then?

Which incidents, btw?

Do you mean the announcements our state make that they have foiled a terror plot?

Those aren't real.

They are advertisments.

 

I said I was open minded.

Think of me as a jury member.

Show me evidence that Bin Laden masterminded 911.

Hard evidence.

Let's examine it in detail.

You say you have the truth on your side- bring it to me.

Good luck in your quest.

Remember, it is not for me to prove that he didn't mastermind it, but for you to prove that he did.

 

They all died, of course.

 

I see.

And there were no others that came through, to take their place?

So much for this 'world wide terror network'.

They all died, Bin Laden was killed, and now there are no more stupid men, with crude laptops, left to attack the US.

Got it.

 

Not all terrorists are incompetent, but admittedly, the only reason 9/11 happened is because our intelligence agencies didn't properly communicate with each other. We've since made reforms that make another 9/11 very unlikely.

 

Khalid Muhammad is likely the "mastermind" behind the attack. And what would be the point? Any evidence, you would allege is fabricated. Last will and testament videos from the hijackers aware of their pending death. Videos of Hijackers in Afghanistan training camps with Bin Laden. Video of the hijackers going through security at the airport, Cockpit recordings from the hijacked planes And the assorted videos and recordings of Bin Laden aknowledging his involvement.

 

Khalid Muhammad was the mastermind, was he?

Silly me, I really thought that Bush co had pinned it on Bin Laden.

Oh - do you actually have any evidence of this type that you mention?

Beyond conspiracy theory footage and sites, that would have no basis in law, and any legal team of any worth would (*)(*)(*)(*) all over?

Thanks

 

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No, you are mistaken. Khalid was identified pretty early on as the one primarily responsible for planning 9/11. Bin laden is the one that convinced him to scale back his plans to just 4 planes.

 

As well it seems Al qaeda is only able to recruit pathetic wannabe terrorist, usually 18-25 yr olds looking for their 15 minutes of fame.

 

I see.

So Khalid had an ever bigger operation in mind, and Bin Laden persuaded him to scale it back.

Well, I could swear, and it may be my fading memory, that your Gov made Bin Laden the primary suspect, and that name was to be said, over and over and over, in all media, everywhere, in the US, for ten years.

The name Khalid not so much.

Why do you suppose that is?

 

Well, Bin Laden was the leader of the organization that carried out 9/11. They recruited the hijackers, trained them in Afghanistan and financed the operation. Khalids involvement wasnt apparent early on.

 

Notwithstanding.

Bin Laden was the name that was drummed into the heads of Americans, along with his image, again and again.

I bet that if you walked down a typical street in Washington, and asked 100 random people if they had heard of Bin Laden, all 100 would say they have.

How many of that 100 do you think have heard of Khalid? I think not many.

Which is interesting, isn't it, since you say that Khalid and not Bin Laden was the number one suspect of masterminding the operation.

Indeed, by your own admission, had it not been for Bin Laden, the scale of it may have been even greater, right?

 

Still nothing but stupid conspiracy theories from you then, I see. And still no evidence other than some vaguely tenuous circumstantial 'evidence' which any court would laugh at and throw out... 'it was obviously an inside job-because it looks like it and I said so'

 

SS.

KR seems to have been banned, so it seems amiss to say much to him right now, as he has no right of reply.

 

I wasn't aware. Thanks.

 

No worries.

It may only be a temp thing.

 

It's often a matter of people who have very little to lose.

The more disturbing situations are when it involves people who actually do have a lot to lose.

For example, it's hard to explain why that Scottish doctor tried to drive an SUV through the Glasgow airport with all those gasoline containers. That immigrant had a good life and no reason to attack anyone.

 

Underwear bomber was a bankers son. All the 9/11 pilots were from upperclass families. They all have the divine inspiration of allah to motivate them.

 

??? Bin laden is the man at the top. Khalid was under him. More people know Hitler than Goebels, because Hitler is at the top. Not sure what you find so interesting. Let alone anything to lend credence to your silly theories.

 

To understand what appear to be either random or planned acts of violence (our terrorism, if you prefer), one must be prepared to adopt a more sophisticated approach, than that we see on here too often, SS.

You seem someone who is more reasonable, and prepared to engage in civil discourse, SS, so I am happy to chat about such matters with you.

And I am sure you get what I mean when I say we, as in the people, must educate ourselves in such matters, beyond the child like and simplistic notion of good guys v evil guys, which is how the media, corps, and politicians like to present everything.

For example, I am sometimes asked if I 'support Hammas'.

My answer would be that while I do not support Hammas, I do recognise them as an elected leadership, and I can fully understand why an organisation like them come about. If you disenfranchise a people, in every possible way, then what sort of leadership do you think they are going to spawn? Desperate people will clutch to desperate answers.

I do not agree with the act of getting onto a bus, loaded with explosives, in Tel Aviv, and blowing everyone up. But I can see how the psyche of people, robbed of any justice, robbed of any voice, denied humane treatment, despite the NUMEROUS UN resolutions aimed at muzzling the persecutor, , a people subjected to brutality, and phospeherus bombs, I can see how they may FINALLY get to a point in which they would do such things.

Can you?

I know that if my family, including my 2 yr old g/daughter, had the flesh burned from their bones, by Israeli white phospeherous, that I would be insance with rage, and do anything I could to hit back.

Wouldn't you?

 

Which theories?

I have not offered any.

Treat me like a member of the jury.

Convince me that an organsiation called Al Queda, with nothing more than a crude laptop, possibly stupid men, as you have said, carried out those attacks at 911?

Beyond being told that they did, from the same men and media that always lie.

Why believe them time and again, maybe that is the better question?

 

If what you say is true, then the Provisional Wing of the Irish Republican Army was a force for peace.

 

I don't think it was that which motivated them, per se, even if you do wish to accept what you are told about it being them.

 

I can see why PIRA would have spawned, yes I do.

But I could not defend them bombing mainland Britain, and N Ireland.

But PIRA, RIRA, and CIRA, are big enough subjects to discuss on a thread about that.

Perhaps you can start one?